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One thing? Wow, how about we start here...

  • Extreme tax cuts for corporations and failure to enforce anti-trust laws leading to a build-up to fuel the inflation and price fixing and gouging that has carried well past the inflationary crisis.
  • By the way, this also nearly gutted social security and since the vast majority of our population either do or will rely on that for a good chunk or even most or all of their retirement, this affects everyone as we will all carry the burden, instead of massive corporations performing multi-billion dollar stock buy-backs instead of paying their share of taxes. I am one of those looking to social security for a decent piece of my retirement due to going through 5 layoffs in my career.
  • Fomenting the insurrection on Jan 6th. This lead to a deeper divide among our people and made us rife for corruption which we are seeing in the supreme court as a great example.
  • Gutting the Affordable Care Act, reducing greatly the number of people who can get medical care. This means more visits to doctors that people cannot pay for, so that gets spread out to the rest of us in higher prices. This is taking our already ****ed up medical system backward, not forward. Oh and his replacement plan is always 2 weeks away.
  • Completely botching the response to COVID, resulting in thousands of needless deaths. One example is him now allowing OSHA to set required safety standards for workplaces, which means it was all haphazard. I know at my workplace, a distribution environment, we went to great lengths to provide safety gear, clean, and account for social distancing. A lot of places that stayed open did not follow these standards from the CDC anywhere near as closely. I had family members die as a result of his response, and I got COVID twice, once ending in long COVID that still has lingering effects to this day.
  • Completely mishandling immigration despite all the bluster. He cracked down on legal immigrants, and wasted money on a useless wall that has been shown to have zero effect on illegal immigration since the vast majority of that happens at airports, not people sneaking over the wall.
  • This is one example of many many wastes of taxpayer money, money that could have gone to better causes to improve life for all of us. But he needed to golf more than any president in history and he turned the secret service into a profit center for Trump corporation as he charged them to stay in his building to protect him. Talk about conflict of interest.
  • The stupid muslim ban heightened tensions among american who just looked like that. One of the managers that works for me is middle-eastern, and Christian, and he got held up and questioned in the airport because he was flying in from England and looked like he was one of those muslims. That is ridiculous and did nothing to improve security of the country.

I could go on and on. Here are a few articles, easy to find with google. Go look at multiple source on this stuff. He did a few good things, imo, like turn a blind eye to states legalizing weed, which needs to be done federally honestly. But the bad so far outweighs the good that it isn't funny.

This one is a decent mix of kind of ok things he did and outright ****** things he did:








I got these quotes out of order but yes, let's start there. He and a full cabinet and a stacked supreme court could absolutely up-end the democracy, especially with the ruling of impunity for executive action as long as he claims "official act". Did you miss that part, or are you being intellectually dishonest by cherry-picking?


Yes, the media has been problematic with the Trump presidency, they cannot figure him out and he is bound and determined to destroy public media as we know it. I disagree with a lot of what gets reported, and I go to many sources for my news, with only 2 or 3 really trusted sites, but they tend to do this **** to most presidents. The only thing new here is Trump calling straight up true stories simply false, regardless of what was in the story to begin with, and he continues to do this. He just recently said he never sent any COVID test kits to Russia, then Russia said, yes he did. Did he retract? No of course not, his team tried to spin it as humanitarian aid. Give me a break. But a lot of stupid people just take everything he says at face value. Look at the damage he is doing manipulating the stories about the recent hurricanes and providing nothing but false outlooks that FEMA and local governments have both said have made their jobs much much harder, and lead to needless deaths. Any accountability there? Nope. His people are sheep.


The news we receive it always filtered, in every way, by every organization or person you get it from, hence why you need to get it from multiple sources and be skeptical of it all. And yes, the fact that budding fascist and racist Musk is supporting Trump raises huge red flags, since that means he believes Trump is best for his personal agenda and wealth. Not best for the rest of us, just him and his cohorts. This seems very anti-Trump of you in this last statement, because maybe you thin this paints Trump in a good light but it simply does not.

Also, any sources you care to cite for any of these claims? Any places showing this filtering of the news to be more anti-Trump than it should be, or do you just know because the conspiracy is SO OBVIOUS? :rolleyes:

You make a couple fair points there, but do a disservice to yourself labeling Musk a racist and budding fascist. Anyone a potential threat that backs a conservative position is immediately labeled a racist or fascist. Don't tell me it's not true, I watched it ad nauseam for the last 8 years. Classic divide and conquer tactics the elites play to get normies all up in arms to do their foot soldier work. Back to Musk though: He is worth 250 billion, an immigrant himself, is building green cars, and designing reusable rockets to improve and progress humanity, but your stance is his real dream is just more power and to have a seat in 78 year old Trump's cabinet? That doesn't pass the smell test. The people I mention tell you WHY they are backing Trump. On the Harris side, you have Taylor Swift holding up a cat and "White dudes for Harris", millionaire celebs in gated communities with zero understanding of geopolitics.


View: https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1844802469680873747


The one strong policy Harris has is her 25K housing credit for first time buyers. Shelter is the last sticky inflation point and it somewhat evens the playing field against trillion dollar hedge funds from flipping or renting out.
 
You make a couple fair points there, but do a disservice to yourself labeling Musk a racist and budding fascist. Anyone a potential threat that backs a conservative position is immediately labeled a racist or fascist. Don't tell me it's not true, I watched it ad nauseam for the last 8 years. Classic divide and conquer tactics the elites play to get normies all up in arms to do their foot soldier work. Back to Musk though: He is worth 250 billion, an immigrant himself, is building green cars, and designing reusable rockets to improve and progress humanity, but your stance is his real dream is just more power and to have a seat in 78 year old Trump's cabinet? That doesn't pass the smell test. The people I mention tell you WHY they are backing Trump. On the Harris side, you have Taylor Swift holding up a cat and "White dudes for Harris", millionaire celebs in gated communities with zero understanding of geopolitics.


View: https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1844802469680873747


The one strong policy Harris has is her 25K housing credit for first time buyers. Shelter is the last sticky inflation point and it somewhat evens the playing field against trillion dollar hedge funds from flipping or renting out.

I went to the grocery store and I noticed something disturbing. All the soda was labeled as soda. Every. Single. Time. Like, don't tell me they don't know what they're doing.
 
The one strong policy Harris has is her 25K housing credit for first time buyers. Shelter is the last sticky inflation point and it somewhat evens the playing field against trillion dollar hedge funds from flipping or renting out.
It does no such thing. The government subsidy on housing will do the exact same thing the government subsidy on college tuition did to college tuition pricing. The trillion dollar hedge funds already bought the houses. The government stepping in now to inflate the value of houses will strengthen their balance sheets. Why do you think they have thrown a billion dollars into Kamala's campaign fund to get her elected?
 
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Former president Donald Trump is campaigning on the most significant increase in tariffs in close to a century, preparing an attack on the international trade order that would likely raise prices, hurt the stock market and spark economic feuds with much of the world.

Trump’s trade plans, a staple of his stump speeches, have fluctuated, but he consistently calls for steep duties to discourage imports and promote domestic production. The former president has floated “automatic” tariffs of 10 percent to 20 percent on every U.S. trading partner, 60 percent levies on goods from China, and rates as high as 100, 200 or even 1,000 percent in other circumstances.

The consequences would be far-reaching: Americans would be hit by higher prices for grocery staples from abroad, such as fruit, vegetables and coffee. Domestic firms dependent on imports would need to either figure out new supply chains or raise costs for consumers. U.S. manufacturers would almost certainly see sharp declines in orders from abroad as foreign nations impose retaliatory tariffs.

“We are talking about a plan of historic significance: It would be enormous, and the blowback would be even more enormous,” said Douglas A. Irwin, an economist at Dartmouth College who authored a 2017 book on the history of U.S. trade policy. “This would stand way off the charts.”

Companies and governments around the world have begun preparing contingency plans for the potential Trump tariffs. Diplomats and business leaders from Latin America, Europe, Asia and even Canada have in recent weeks asked their U.S. counterparts about Trump’s intentions and authorities, according to interviews with several domestic and international economic advisers, some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to reflect private planning.

Trump says his plan would force other countries to back off what he has claimed are abusive trade practices. And while high tariffs could force many firms to move jobs and production to the United States to access the world’s largest market, doing so would come at a high, disruptive cost.

“The world economies are now so interwoven with each other — to rip and pull that apart would be incredibly disruptive to the U.S.,” Irwin said. “It would really ripple through the economy in ways that are very hard to predict.”

The U.S. imports more than $1 trillion worth of goods annually used directly by consumers: inexpensive electronics from China; food from Latin America and Canada; pharmaceuticals produced in India and Mexico. Tariffs of 20 percent on all imports could amount to a more than $4 trillion tax hike over the next decade, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan think tank.

Gas prices would increase by as much as 75 cents per gallon in the Midwest, where most refined products come from Canada, according to Patrick De Haan, an analyst at GasBuddy. Overall, the Peterson Institute for International Economics said Trump’s tariffs would cost the typical household $2,600 per year; the Yale Budget Lab said in an estimate released Wednesday that the annual cost could be as high as $7,600 for a typical household. As a share of their income, the poorest Americans would pay 6 percent more with 20 percent tariffs, compared with 1.4 percent more for the richest 1 percent.

“We’re not talking about caviar — these are things that people have to buy. They’re essentials,” said Neil Saunders, a managing director at the analytics company GlobalData.


Economists say it would take several painful years for alternative domestic producers to emerge for many goods. For instance, almost all shoes and 90 percent of tomatoes sold in the country are imported, according to the Peterson Institute. And the United States does not even have the climate necessary to produce many food items — such as coffee, bananas, avocados, to say nothing of Chilean sea bass — at the necessary scale to meet domestic demand, said Joseph Politano, an economic analyst who has written on the subject on his Substack.

Trump’s tariffs would also reverberate through Wall Street and global markets, inviting turmoil that would affect investors and companies worldwide. Those effects would probably be felt quickly.

Many analysts are hopeful that a stock market panic would dissuade or prevent Trump from carrying out his plans. The investment bank UBS projected that a 10 percent universal tariff could lead to a 10 percent contraction in the stock market (European and Chinese stocks would fall by even more). U.S. multinationals are heavily dependent on foreign subsidiaries, and retailers, auto manufacturers and other industrial sectors would be hit the hardest, according to UBS.

Trump and his advisers express confidence that tariffs can be an effective tool to cajole other countries into complying with his demands. But many may respond by imposing trade restrictions of their own on U.S. exports.

During Trump’s first term, the European Union imposed retaliatory tariffs on everything from U.S. corn to Harley-Davidson motorcycles. China reduced purchases of food products made in the Midwest, leading the Trump administration to approve a $30 billion bailout for farmers.

While the discussions are preliminary, officials in Canada, the European Union, China, India and elsewhere are already working through options to respond to another potential Trump trade war. The retaliation could be harsher this time: Canada, for instance, could cut off access to lumber, aluminum and steel. Boeing aircraft and U.S. vehicle exports could be threatened. Some analysts believe China could devastate U.S. farming exports.

“Day one, if there’s a 10 percent tariff put in place, day two, there’s going to be retaliatory tariffs from all of our trading partners,” said John Veroneau, a trade attorney with Covington & Burling, who served as deputy U.S. trade representative under President George W. Bush.
 
Would be great to see this clown exit the stage.

 

Former President Donald J. Trump has been offering up new tax cuts to nearly every group of voters that he meets in recent weeks, shaking the nerves of budget watchers and fiscal hawks who fear his expensive economic promises will explode the nation’s already bulging national debt.

But on Tuesday, Mr. Trump made clear that he was unfazed by such concerns and offered a one-word solution: growth. Despite the doubts of economists from across the political spectrum, Mr. Trump said that he would just juice the economy by the force of his will and scoffed at suggestions that his pledges to abolish taxes on overtime, tips and Social Security benefits could cost as much as $15 trillion.

The national debt is approaching $36 trillion. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget projected last week that Mr. Trump’s economic agenda could cost as much as $15 trillion over a decade. Economists from the Peterson Institute for International Economics, a nonpartisan think tank, estimated last month that if Mr. Trump’s plans were enacted, the gross domestic product could be 9.7 percent lower than current forecasts, shrinking output and dampening consumer demand.

During his presidency, Mr. Trump repeatedly relied on overly optimistic growth forecasts to make his budget proposals appear to be fiscally responsible. He claimed that his policies would drive more output and generate more investment than they ultimately did. In 2017, he predicted that economic growth would reach 6 percent, but it topped out around 3 percent.

Many economists have said those moves (tariffs and tax breaks) would push up prices for American households and could even threaten to cause a recession in the United States.

During the combative interview, Mr. Trump did not answer whether he would try to remove or demote Jerome H. Powell, the Federal Reserve chair, whom he elevated to the top role at the central bank. He said that while he would not “order” the Fed to raise or lower interest rates, the president should be able to express his views on the matter. (I'm sure trump thinks he should be in charge and in control of interest rates)

Although economists have projected that Mr. Trump’s economic policies could spur inflation while slowing growth, the former president has maintained — without offering details — that he would simultaneously be able to cut taxes, reduce deficits and keep the U.S. dollar strong.

Asked to explain how his ideas all added up, Mr. Trump praised his math skills and lashed out at Mr. Micklethwait for appearing skeptical.





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Former president Donald Trump is campaigning on the most significant increase in tariffs in close to a century, preparing an attack on the international trade order that would likely raise prices, hurt the stock market and spark economic feuds with much of the world.

Trump’s trade plans, a staple of his stump speeches, have fluctuated, but he consistently calls for steep duties to discourage imports and promote domestic production. The former president has floated “automatic” tariffs of 10 percent to 20 percent on every U.S. trading partner, 60 percent levies on goods from China, and rates as high as 100, 200 or even 1,000 percent in other circumstances.

The consequences would be far-reaching: Americans would be hit by higher prices for grocery staples from abroad, such as fruit, vegetables and coffee. Domestic firms dependent on imports would need to either figure out new supply chains or raise costs for consumers. U.S. manufacturers would almost certainly see sharp declines in orders from abroad as foreign nations impose retaliatory tariffs.

“We are talking about a plan of historic significance: It would be enormous, and the blowback would be even more enormous,” said Douglas A. Irwin, an economist at Dartmouth College who authored a 2017 book on the history of U.S. trade policy. “This would stand way off the charts.”

Companies and governments around the world have begun preparing contingency plans for the potential Trump tariffs. Diplomats and business leaders from Latin America, Europe, Asia and even Canada have in recent weeks asked their U.S. counterparts about Trump’s intentions and authorities, according to interviews with several domestic and international economic advisers, some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to reflect private planning.

Trump says his plan would force other countries to back off what he has claimed are abusive trade practices. And while high tariffs could force many firms to move jobs and production to the United States to access the world’s largest market, doing so would come at a high, disruptive cost.

“The world economies are now so interwoven with each other — to rip and pull that apart would be incredibly disruptive to the U.S.,” Irwin said. “It would really ripple through the economy in ways that are very hard to predict.”

The U.S. imports more than $1 trillion worth of goods annually used directly by consumers: inexpensive electronics from China; food from Latin America and Canada; pharmaceuticals produced in India and Mexico. Tariffs of 20 percent on all imports could amount to a more than $4 trillion tax hike over the next decade, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan think tank.

Gas prices would increase by as much as 75 cents per gallon in the Midwest, where most refined products come from Canada, according to Patrick De Haan, an analyst at GasBuddy. Overall, the Peterson Institute for International Economics said Trump’s tariffs would cost the typical household $2,600 per year; the Yale Budget Lab said in an estimate released Wednesday that the annual cost could be as high as $7,600 for a typical household. As a share of their income, the poorest Americans would pay 6 percent more with 20 percent tariffs, compared with 1.4 percent more for the richest 1 percent.

“We’re not talking about caviar — these are things that people have to buy. They’re essentials,” said Neil Saunders, a managing director at the analytics company GlobalData.


Economists say it would take several painful years for alternative domestic producers to emerge for many goods. For instance, almost all shoes and 90 percent of tomatoes sold in the country are imported, according to the Peterson Institute. And the United States does not even have the climate necessary to produce many food items — such as coffee, bananas, avocados, to say nothing of Chilean sea bass — at the necessary scale to meet domestic demand, said Joseph Politano, an economic analyst who has written on the subject on his Substack.

Trump’s tariffs would also reverberate through Wall Street and global markets, inviting turmoil that would affect investors and companies worldwide. Those effects would probably be felt quickly.

Many analysts are hopeful that a stock market panic would dissuade or prevent Trump from carrying out his plans. The investment bank UBS projected that a 10 percent universal tariff could lead to a 10 percent contraction in the stock market (European and Chinese stocks would fall by even more). U.S. multinationals are heavily dependent on foreign subsidiaries, and retailers, auto manufacturers and other industrial sectors would be hit the hardest, according to UBS.

Trump and his advisers express confidence that tariffs can be an effective tool to cajole other countries into complying with his demands. But many may respond by imposing trade restrictions of their own on U.S. exports.

During Trump’s first term, the European Union imposed retaliatory tariffs on everything from U.S. corn to Harley-Davidson motorcycles. China reduced purchases of food products made in the Midwest, leading the Trump administration to approve a $30 billion bailout for farmers.

While the discussions are preliminary, officials in Canada, the European Union, China, India and elsewhere are already working through options to respond to another potential Trump trade war. The retaliation could be harsher this time: Canada, for instance, could cut off access to lumber, aluminum and steel. Boeing aircraft and U.S. vehicle exports could be threatened. Some analysts believe China could devastate U.S. farming exports.

“Day one, if there’s a 10 percent tariff put in place, day two, there’s going to be retaliatory tariffs from all of our trading partners,” said John Veroneau, a trade attorney with Covington & Burling, who served as deputy U.S. trade representative under President George W. Bush.
Sometimes I hope Trump gets elected so that the MAGA hangers on get the closure they so desperately need in regard to the notion that Trump magically solves all our problems simply by existing and being the POTUS at the same time. He didn't do anything good last time through direct intentional action, but somehow he was the reason we all had such amazing lives back then. Boy, I sure do look back fondly on the year 2020. Such good times!
 
Sometimes I hope Trump gets elected so that the MAGA hangers on get the closure they so desperately need in regard to the notion that Trump magically solves all our problems simply by existing and being the POTUS at the same time. He didn't do anything good last time through direct intentional action, but somehow he was the reason we all had such amazing lives back then. Boy, I sure do look back fondly on the year 2020. Such good times!
Ya, he will inherit an economy on the rise and if he doesn't do anything drastic will likely have a nice economy. I think the economy is going to be pretty darn good for at least the next few years regardless of who wins the election. But he isn't going to end wars and civil unrest. he wont eliminate crime or immigration issues. He wont be able to control nature and prevent hurricanes and fires. He wont be able to prevent something random like another pandemic or whatever. Plus he will be himself which is an embarrassing hateful clueless douchebag who would be the oldest elected president of all time and surely declining mentally. We would get the luxury of blaming everything that goes wrong on him and making fun of all the stupid crap he says and does. Plus if he wins there is less likely to be violence stemming from the election than if he loses.
Silver linings.
 
Ya, he will inherit an economy on the rise and if he doesn't do anything drastic will likely have a nice economy. I think the economy is going to be pretty darn good for at least the next few years regardless of who wins the election. But he isn't going to end wars and civil unrest. he wont eliminate crime or immigration issues. He wont be able to control nature and prevent hurricanes and fires. He wont be able to prevent something random like another pandemic or whatever. Plus he will be himself which is an embarrassing hateful clueless douchebag who would be the oldest elected president of all time and surely declining mentally. We would get the luxury of blaming everything that goes wrong on him and making fun of all the stupid crap he says and does. Plus if he wins there is less likely to be violence stemming from the election than if he loses.
Silver linings.
There are a number of LGBTQ people in my life one way or another. I know that another Trump term will do nothing but make their lives worse. If that wasn't the case I'd almost be down for the clown show.
 
Buck tried for a while but there is just no defending the conservative side right now. But if you can refute what has been posted or provide a fresh perspective it is more than welcome.
Tried…? Successfully defended center views. But it’s just repetitive. It doesn’t matter how many times I will bring up a different point, majority posters here are filled with Trump hate they can’t even allow themselves to see things rationally.

I was the first to put out that I am anti-Kamala because of her past and present extremist views and how she is the worst candidate the democrats could put out.

What did that get me “You’re MAGA” “You’re a Troll” “you fake independent”. Just because I’m not apart of left and its views. I’m was a messenger about how bad a candidate she is; just take tonight’s basic interview that she just bombed.

I don’t feel welcomed here or heard. It’s so quick with troll, MAGA or now unsuccessfully defend the right. It’s impossible with majority of posters here to actually listen to the other side. Mostly it’s attacking rather than trying to learn.
 
Got my ballot in the mail today.
Filled it out, hopped on my bike, rode to the local rec center (of which I'm a member) and deposited it in the drop box (there were cameras right above the drop box for security reasons).
Then I kept riding down to the local library to read my book that I'm almost done with and then I will return it and get another (the book I'm reading is called The Girl Who Was Taken. It's really good).

What a great country I live in. Trumpers should check it out sometime rather than just listen to trump talk about how horrible it is. It's an amazing place to live. I'm blessed to have been born here.


P. S. On the ballot for president there was about 8 or 9 choices. One of the choices was for Lucifer Justincase Everylove.

What the ****? I thought there was a process and rules to getting your name on the ballot. Anyone know the story there?

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Mail in voting? Rec center? Riding your bike on public roads? You’re basically a full blown communist now. I always knew you were a globalist elitist. But now I know you’re a commie.
 
Mail in voting? Rec center? Riding your bike on public roads? You’re basically a full blown communist now. I always knew you were a globalist elitist. But now I know you’re a commie.
Pretty much.

Funny story: I got called "woke" yesterday because someone asked me why I don't simply discard my latex gloves whenever I wash my hands and put on a new pair afterwards and I responded that I don't like wasting stuff cause they cost money and just contribute more to the landfill. That earned me the title of woke.

Guaranteed I wouldn't have been called woke over that if trump never existed

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You make a couple fair points there, but do a disservice to yourself labeling Musk a racist and budding fascist. Anyone a potential threat that backs a conservative position is immediately labeled a racist or fascist. Don't tell me it's not true, I watched it ad nauseam for the last 8 years. Classic divide and conquer tactics the elites play to get normies all up in arms to do their foot soldier work. Back to Musk though: He is worth 250 billion, an immigrant himself, is building green cars, and designing reusable rockets to improve and progress humanity, but your stance is his real dream is just more power and to have a seat in 78 year old Trump's cabinet? That doesn't pass the smell test. The people I mention tell you WHY they are backing Trump. On the Harris side, you have Taylor Swift holding up a cat and "White dudes for Harris", millionaire celebs in gated communities with zero understanding of geopolitics.


View: https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1844802469680873747


The one strong policy Harris has is her 25K housing credit for first time buyers. Shelter is the last sticky inflation point and it somewhat evens the playing field against trillion dollar hedge funds from flipping or renting out.


Conservative position? There is no such thing as a "conservative position" anymore.

And there is no viable reason to back The Rapist. Was there a single reason to back Hitler? Not that I could imagine but then again you had Germans supporting him. I guess you're like those Germans.

Of course you probably have a reason. What is it? You looking to loot your immigrant neighbor's homes when Trump's SS take them away?
 
Conservative position? There is no such thing as a "conservative position" anymore.

And there is no viable reason to back The Rapist. Was there a single reason to back Hitler? Not that I could imagine but then again you had Germans supporting him. I guess you're like those Germans.

Of course you probably have a reason. What is it? You looking to loot your immigrant neighbor's home when Trump's SS take them away?
Last I checked, “conservative opinion” aka “******* paranoia” was telling rednecks to attack FEMA and that Haitian workers in Springfield were eating white peoples’ pets. Why would any sane person need to listen to that?

It would definitely be nice to see conservatives on here call their own tribe out. Instead, they waste their days showing their contempt for Democrats and liberals instead of trying to build anything conservative for their own side. They try to justify their views and voting habits every day on this website. They never address actual issues and mostly just copy and paste talking pts from their social media outlets. Never engage in good faith discussion either.

It would be nice if conservative thought and conservative people still existed. But to do so would mean siding with democrats now. Which, many have already done. Or fall in line with fascism, which is what most have done.
 
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Tried…? Successfully defended center views. But it’s just repetitive. It doesn’t matter how many times I will bring up a different point, majority posters here are filled with Trump hate they can’t even allow themselves to see things rationally.

I was the first to put out that I am anti-Kamala because of her past and present extremist views and how she is the worst candidate the democrats could put out.

What did that get me “You’re MAGA” “You’re a Troll” “you fake independent”. Just because I’m not apart of left and its views. I’m was a messenger about how bad a candidate she is; just take tonight’s basic interview that she just bombed.

I don’t feel welcomed here or heard. It’s so quick with troll, MAGA or now unsuccessfully defend the right. It’s impossible with majority of posters here to actually listen to the other side. Mostly it’s attacking rather than trying to learn.
Funny thing is you go after what many of us already believe, that she isn't a great candidate. Very few people here believe she is a good candidate. But what you also did was, maybe inadvertently, defend and espouse Trump-ian politics in your denigration of Harris. That's where your arguments fell apart. Again NONE OF US LIKE HARRIS, SHE'S ABOUT THE WORST OPTION THEY COULD HAVE COME UP WITH, but she's a ****ing damn sight better than Trump.

And that's where it diverges. You prefer a known racist and misogynist and convicted felon and adjudicated rapist and corporate and billionaire shill and continual proven liar and insurrectionist and pretty obvious fascist to Harris. We don't. So yeah, your arguments fall ****ing flat. Hate her all you want, point out all the flaws, and none of them come close to saying "I'll be a dictator on day one", et al. They just don't. Unless you are fine with dictator trump and his racist misogynist fascist policies. And it seems you are.
 
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Last I checked, “conservative opinion” aka “******* paranoia” was telling rednecks to attack FEMA and that Haitian workers in Springfield were eating white peoples’ pets. Why would any sane person need to listen to that?

It would definitely be nice to see conservatives on here call their own tribe out. Instead, they waste their days showing their contempt for Democrats and liberals instead of trying to build anything conservative for their own side. They try to justify their views and voting habits every day on this website. They never address actual issues and mostly just copy and paste talking pts from their social media outlets. Never engage in good faith discussion either.

It would be nice if conservative thought and conservative people still existed. But to do so would mean siding with democrats now. Which, many have already done. Or fall in line with fascism, which is what most have done.
They do exist. But now they are closer to the middle than they ever were before. Want to know why we have more people claiming they are "independent" than ever before? It's the disenfranchised traditional conservatives that make up a large portion of those. Like my parents, and countless other people I know. Where they still feel something of the familiar in what Trump stands for, enough that when their friends and family say they are voting for Trump they have to wonder, is this what it means to be conservative now? And that's why they are split. They don't know which way to go any more. My mom is a great example. She's shocked her friends and family want Trump, she sees what he did to the party and the country and will not vote for him. But damn it's hard to vote for a Democrat. She feels she has no choices at all that reflect what she believes. And that's very true. She'll vote for Harris though. Because she sees the danger Trump is. But she'll do so through gritted teeth.
 
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