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2024-2025 Tank Race

I think it's Brooklyn / Washington as the two main tank commanders
After that it will be Utah / Portland / Toronto / Detroit in some order
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Poeltl's comments and lifeless/sloppy play were all I needed to see... Toronto is a darkhorse and may replace a team like Detroit. Pistons seemed very competent and engaged. Still think its like 5th/6th spot for us and we end up with a surprise team that outperforms and a surprise team that underperforms.
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I didn't realize how bad Toronto's roster is, even with RJ Barrett back they stink.
11/16 of their guys are 25 or younger
 
Once we get to 10 or so games in to the season I'll start adding records to the OP.

Also, feel free to update this thread with results if I don't get around to it.
 
Here are the pick protections/picks owed according tankathon:
- Washington's pick is top 10 protected
- Portland's pick is top 14 protected
- Detroit's pick is top 13 protected
- Chicago's pick is top 10 protected
- Our pick is top 10 protected
- LAC's pick is unprotected by swap with OKC
- Miami's pick is top 14 protected
- SAC's pick is top 12 protected
- DEN pick is top 5 protected
- Phil pick is top 6 protected
- NYK pick is unprotected (owed to BKN)
- MIN pick is unprotected (owed to UTA)
- CHA pick is protected 1-14
- ATL pick is unproected (owed to SAS)
- LAL pick is unprotected (owed to ATL)
- PHO pick is unprotected (Owed to BKN, but can be swapped to HOU)
- CLE pick is unprotected (owed to UTA)
- MIL pick is protected 1-4
- OKC owns pick, but owns swap rights with HOU (top 10 protected) or LAC

I might have missed or misunderstood some of this, so I recommend frequently going to https://www.tankathon.com/
 
I've organized the below in to tiers:

Tanking Tiers:

Should be Bad and Owe a Protected Pick
- Washington's pick is top 10 protected
- Portland's pick is top 14 protected
- Detroit's pick is top 13 protected
- UTA pick is top 10 protected

Should be Bad, but Don't Owe a Pick
- BKN
- TOR
- SAS

Might be Bad and Owe a Protected Pick
- CHA pick is protected 1-14
- Chicago's pick is top 10 protected
- HOU pick swap is top 10 protected

Might be Bad even though they have no reason to be
- ATL pick is unproected (owed to SAS)
- LAC's pick is unprotected by swap with OKC

Should be Good, but if things go wrong, could tank to keep pick
- Miami's pick is top 14 protected
- SAC's pick is top 12 protected

Should be Good, but own their own pick
- GSW
- NOP
- MEM
- ORL
- DAL
- IND
- BOS
- OKC

Should be Good, and have no reason to tank because they don't own their pick
- LAL (to ATL)
- NYK (to BKN)
- MIN (to Utah)
- CLE (to Utah)
- PHO (To BKN)
- PHI (Top 6 Protected to OKC)
- DEN (Top 6 protected to ORL)
-MIL (Top 4 protected to BKN)
 
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SoberasHotRod said:
I've organized the below in to tiers:

Tanking Tiers:

Should be Bad and Owe a Protected Pick
- Washington's pick is top 10 protected
- Portland's pick is top 14 protected
- Detroit's pick is top 13 protected
- UTA pick is top 10 protected

Should be Bad, but Don't Owe a Pick
- BKN
- TOR
- SAS

Might be Bad and Owe a Protected Pick
- CHA pick is protected 1-14
- Chicago's pick is top 10 protected
- HOU pick swap is top 10 protected

Might be Bad even though they have no reason to be
- ATL pick is unproected (owed to SAS)
- LAC's pick is unprotected by swap with OKC

Should be Good, but if things go wrong, could tank to keep pick
- Miami's pick is top 14 protected
- SAC's pick is top 12 protected

Should be Good, but own their own pick
- GSW
- NOP
- MEM
- ORL
- DAL
- IND
- BOS
- OKC

Should be Good, and have no reason to tank because they don't won their pick
- LAL (to ATL)
- NYK (to BKN)
- MIN (to Utah)
- CLE (to Utah)
- PHO (To BKN)
- PHI (Top 6 Protected to OKC)
- DEN (Top 6 protected to ORL)
-MIL (Top 4 protected to BKN)
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Thanks for this list. Really appreciate the effort.

SAS should be in the same tier with CHA and CHI, if not for any other reason then at least for the fact that their expected win total in Vegas is +5 to that of Charlotte, and +8 to that of Bulls.

I mean not exactly in the same bucket as they do own their pick.... but in "might be bad" instead of "should be bad".
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I've organized the below in to tiers:

Tanking Tiers:

Should be Bad and Owe a Protected Pick
- Washington's pick is top 10 protected
- Portland's pick is top 14 protected
- Detroit's pick is top 13 protected
- UTA pick is top 10 protected

Should be Bad, but Don't Owe a Pick
- BKN
- TOR
- SAS

Might be Bad and Owe a Protected Pick
- CHA pick is protected 1-14
- Chicago's pick is top 10 protected
- HOU pick swap is top 10 protected

Might be Bad even though they have no reason to be
- ATL pick is unproected (owed to SAS)
- LAC's pick is unprotected by swap with OKC

Should be Good, but if things go wrong, could tank to keep pick
- Miami's pick is top 14 protected
- SAC's pick is top 12 protected

Should be Good, but own their own pick
- GSW
- NOP
- MEM
- ORL
- DAL
- IND
- BOS
- OKC

Should be Good, and have no reason to tank because they don't won their pick
- LAL (to ATL)
- NYK (to BKN)
- MIN (to Utah)
- CLE (to Utah)
- PHO (To BKN)
- PHI (Top 6 Protected to OKC)
- DEN (Top 6 protected to ORL)
-MIL (Top 4 protected to BKN)
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Great work but damn, this makes me depressed.

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fishonjazz said:
Great work but damn, this makes me depressed.

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It's mostly only relevant post trade deadline. Almost all teams are trying to win right now. Once we get to the trade deadline teams will evaluate where they are at and decide if it's better for them to continue to try to win or not.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
It's mostly only relevant post trade deadline. Almost all teams are trying to win right now. Once we get to the trade deadline teams will evaluate where they are at and decide if it's better for them to continue to try to win or not.
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But there are more teams that give up picks if they win too much than I thought there were. That sucks.
 
UTA loses by 41 to GSW
POR loses by 2 to NOP
CHI win by 11 over MIL
CHA loses by 5 to ATL
DET loses by 12 to CLE
BKN loses by 15 to ORL
TOR wins by 8 over PHI
 
SoberasHotRod said:
UTA loses by 41 to GSW
POR loses by 2 to NOP
CHI win by 11 over MIL
CHA loses by 5 to ATL
DET loses by 12 to CLE
BKN loses by 15 to ORL
TOR wins by 8 over PHI
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A little better results but this is gonna be a tough race to win
Despite the blowout last night, I maintain that we are about the 5th worst team.
Thanks for the updates. Keep them coming
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SoberasHotRod said:
SAS win by 3 over HOU
CHI loses by 19 to OKC
TOR loses by 11 to MIN
DET loses by 6 to BOS
WAS loses by 19 to CLE
CHA loses by 8 to MIA

Mostly tanking teams haven't been playing each other yet.
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This was one trend I noticed when I was looking at the tank competition for the Jazz. Early schedules are tough for a lot of these teams. Partly because when you suck it’s easy to be an underdog but also they play each other more later in the season. SA and Utah are exceptions to this. I had a hard time find a schedule that made me believe one of the tank t ams could surprise a little.
 
DET has played really well, but had some heartbreaking loses. They look competitive against good teams. Tobias Harris is simply the biggest check stealer of all time, however, and I don't think I accounted for that enough.
 
KqWIN said:
DET has played really well, but had some heartbreaking loses. They look competitive against good teams. Tobias Harris is simply the biggest check stealer of all time, however, and I don't think I accounted for that enough.
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Ben Simmons would like a word.
 
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