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str8line said:
The cult is strong and even black people and Mexicans are prone to feeding off the hate and slamming the door behind them.
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Don't you get it? That way of thinking is what has been rejected. It isn't 2016. People are tired of all the identity stuff. The coalition that pushed the winning candidate to victory was the broadest maybe ever. We aren't the ones calling people garbage or Nazi. We aren't the ones who divide people up by skin color. You are the group of Richard Spencer and the 1619 Project. We are the group of middle class labor and families with the odd genius rocket-building billionaire included.

Our champion is a warrior who has survived two impeachments, four indictments, two assassination attempts, beat one opponent into the ground, then beat a second replacement candidate, all while being outspent by more than 2-to-1, and an unrelenting firestorm from most of the media. Your champion was a sock puppet who has never won any election outside California despite multiple tries. It was a bad match-up.

If is your life to live as you wish, but maybe spending some time figuring out how to build a better team for next go around might be better than trying to refight this battle by re-digging dirt to spew as much hate as you can manage. The whole vilification thing doesn't have the power it once did.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Don't you get it? That way of thinking is what has been rejected. It isn't 2016. People are tired of all the identity stuff. The coalition that pushed the winning candidate to victory was the broadest maybe ever. We aren't the ones calling people garbage or Nazi. We aren't the ones who divide people up by skin color. You are the group of Richard Spencer and the 1619 Project. We are the group of middle class labor and families with the odd genius rocket-building billionaire included.

Our champion is a warrior who has survived two impeachments, four indictments, two assassination attempts, beat one opponent into the ground, then beat a second replacement candidate, all while being outspent by more than 2-to-1, and an unrelenting firestorm from most of the media. Your champion was a sock puppet who has never won any election outside California despite multiple tries. It was a bad match-up.

If is your life to live as you wish, but maybe spending some time figuring out how to build a better team for next go around might be better than trying to refight this battle by re-digging dirt to spew as much hate as you can manage. The whole vilification thing doesn't have the power it once did.
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Based on the last 24 hours the whole vilification thing has more power than it ever has.
 
I don't think Kamala vilifying Trump too much for voters to stomach had much, if any impact. The major issue for her I think is that she was part of an unpopular and ineffective administration, and wasn't offering/communicating a vision for this country that was distinct from that.
Whether or not Trump's agenda will ease the financial strain many Americans are under is pretty immaterial to his electoral success, the average voter is either happy with how things are going, or they're not- and will vote accordingly.

Another issue for Democrats is that they campaign like its 2010, they rely too much on a good ground game and legacy media outlets, while Republicans dominate online spaces (youtube, social media, podcasts etc). They also have not come to terms with the fact that we live in a post truth world, reality matters much less than messaging. Take Trump's positioning himself as a foreign policy dove for example. Dude ramped up drone strikes to a level that would make Obama blush, ordered missile strikes in Syria, and shows no inkling of a desire to reign in Israel's genocidal rampage, but he calls himself a peacemaker and people just buy it. The problem is that Democrats, again, offer no viable alternative.
 
The fact that people have widely divergent interpretations of our current reality is to be expected. I don't think the differences can be entirely reconciled. They ultimately stem from having divergent world-views.
 
Zombie said:
I don't think Kamala vilifying Trump too much for voters to stomach had much, if any impact. The major issue for her I think is that she was part of an unpopular and ineffective administration, and wasn't offering/communicating a vision for this country that was distinct from that.
Whether or not Trump's agenda will ease the financial strain many Americans are under is pretty immaterial to his electoral success, the average voter is either happy with how things are going, or they're not- and will vote accordingly.

Another issue for Democrats is that they campaign like its 2010, they rely too much on a good ground game and legacy media outlets, while Republicans dominate online spaces (youtube, social media, podcasts etc). They also have not come to terms with the fact that we live in a post truth world, reality matters much less than messaging. Take Trump's positioning himself as a foreign policy dove for example. Dude ramped up drone strikes to a level that would make Obama blush, ordered missile strikes in Syria, and shows no inkling of a desire to reign in Israel's genocidal rampage, but he calls himself a peacemaker and people just buy it. The problem is that Democrats, again, offer no viable alternative.
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Democrats are shockingly out of touch.

I'll also add that playing yourself as the peaceful, no-war guy could have been a lot harder if dem leadership wasn't what it has been the last few decades. Can we get an arms embargo, please? No
 
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Zombie said:
I don't think Kamala vilifying Trump too much for voters to stomach had much, if any impact. The major issue for her I think is that she was part of an unpopular and ineffective administration, and wasn't offering/communicating a vision for this country that was distinct from that.
Whether or not Trump's agenda will ease the financial strain many Americans are under is pretty immaterial to his electoral success, the average voter is either happy with how things are going, or they're not- and will vote accordingly.

Another issue for Democrats is that they campaign like its 2010, they rely too much on a good ground game and legacy media outlets, while Republicans dominate online spaces (youtube, social media, podcasts etc). They also have not come to terms with the fact that we live in a post truth world, reality matters much less than messaging. Take Trump's positioning himself as a foreign policy dove for example. Dude ramped up drone strikes to a level that would make Obama blush, ordered missile strikes in Syria, and shows no inkling of a desire to reign in Israel's genocidal rampage, but he calls himself a peacemaker and people just buy it. The problem is that Democrats, again, offer no viable alternative.
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There is actually a deeper conflict at play. Yes, for most moderate voters, independents and low-propensity voters, the current economic climate, uncontrolled mass immigration, the threat of escalating war, etc. would make it difficult, if not impossible, for an incumbent administration seeking re-election. It's the proverbial, "Are things better now than 4 years ago?" question, and that did set off alarms for Democrats.

However, something bigger is going on. There are actually two distinct versions of the United States of America currently. One is a constitutional republic established in 1787 at the Constitutional Convention. The other is a corporation established in 1871 by European banking interests operating through the City of London, which later established the Federal Reserve system in 1913. These two entities have been in dispute. The 'Trump' movement involves a reversion back to the former from the latter. It represents far more than Trump as a political personality. It'll be interesting to see how smoothly things go from here, but the globalists have been defeated at this point.
 
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