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The team is so painful to watch this year that the draft is the only light at the end of the tunnel. I've seen opportunities to go to games for as little as $10 a seat and that doesn't even motivate me to watch them in person right now. I love the Jazz, but this is a hard time to be an active fan going out of their way to watch games when other things are going on instead that are simply cheaper and more entertaining. I'm still watching an occasional game on TV and checking sports apps regularly, but it just doesn't feel the same.

The young guys we brought in after the big trades are mostly struggling. We have some decent complimentary players, but not many that can create their own shot or contribute without the ball. Let's just hope we hit it big a couple times in the draft.

Feel free to mock me, but I'm sure I am not alone.
 
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The team is so painful to watch this year that the draft is the only light at the end of the tunnel. I've seen opportunities to go to games for as little as $10 a seat and that doesn't even motivate me to watch them in person right now. I love the Jazz, but this is a hard time to be an active fan going out of their way to watch games when other things are going on instead that are simply cheaper and more entertaining. I'm still watching an occasional game on TV and checking sports apps regularly, but it just doesn't feel the same.

The young guys we brought in after the big trades are mostly struggling. We have some decent complimentary players, but not many that can create their own shot or contribute without the ball. Let's just hope we hit it big a couple times in the draft.

Feel free to mock me, but I'm sure I am not alone.
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There is A LOT of us that feel this way. Although I have trolled this forum for loses in the past, these last 2 (3 counting this year) have been really bad (Maybe not the first year since we were expected to be last.... but then traded everyone away for nothing midseason). If we end up in the same 8-10 pick range this year, I've already listed the last 3 years being the worst Jazz basketball I've watched in 30+ years. It will go to show the Jazz have no real direction and the whole "10 years to championship" was total ********. We all love the Jazz here but we needed to do what we're doing now 2 years ago. Our development post Donovan has been sus at best. We have 3 draft picks this year with an already overloaded amount of rookies/2 year players that hardly see time. Brice is a worse Jabari Parker, Collier can't shoot, Hendricks might not even be the same as before and he was already getting almost no playing time before this season, we tried to ram Cody Williams into playing big minutes, and Keyonte looks like Trey Burke 2.0 (Almost exactly the same stats for both of them for everything in their rookie years).

Clarkson is tied for second to last in 3 point percentage in the entire league, Keyonote is 13th from the bottom for 3. Keyonote also has the 3rd worst 2 point percentage in the entire league and he's suppose to be the future of the Jazz (he's also ranks 9th in the league in turnovers)? I don't think so.

Flip has been our best prospect that has come out of our draft picks and he was also the lowest picked player out of the last 2 years.

EDIT: I just looked this up too. Clarkson, Keyonote, and Sexton LEAD THE LEAGUE in being the worst defensive players in the league lmao.
 
Its kind of crazy how as Jazz fans we have never experienced long term suckage. I guess every fanbase has to get it at some point and now is our time to take some lumps
 
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Its kind of crazy how as Jazz fans we have never experienced long term suckage. I guess every fanbase has to get it at some point and now is our time to take some lumps
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We could've married ourselves to mid after the hot start in 22-23, but Danny had other plans. Now we just have to pay the dues that usually setup longterm success (sucking ***).
 
It's just crazy that almost a dozen lottery picks in like 3 years have amounted to exactly one player who looks like he might be playing basketball 5 years from now in a place where they speak English: Kessler.
 
You guys are in the wrong business: if you want to see teams that are not painful to watch go follow the Celtics or OKC. This is a rebuilding/tanking team: if you want to follow the Jazz do not complain that they are painful to watch - that is exactly what tanking teams are designed to do.
 
I think the most infuriating thing about player development is that the Jazz have amassed so many young players without a single clear elite skill. Again, Kessler is an exception here because he's probably already an elite rim protector at this level. Keyonte, Brice, Taylor, Williams(especially freaking Williams)...these are guys who currently have no single skill that would make them invaluable on an NBA roster. We're hoping on them to just develop something, which is fine, but in a world of player development where nothing is a given, it'd be nice to have guys who can contribute even if they don't pan out to their maximum potential.

Knecht can absolutely light it up from beyond the arc, McCain can just plain score, Edey is a force in the paint, Mogbo can defend. These are all skills that already make it worthwhile starting those guys, and future development is a bonus. Our guys have to "pan out" else they can't do anything. What's Keyonte's elite skill? What's Cody's even remotely decent skill right now? It's all just hope.
 
JimLes said:
It's just crazy that almost a dozen lottery picks in like 3 years have amounted to exactly one player who looks like he might be playing basketball 5 years from now in a place where they speak English: Kessler.
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dozen?
 
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Knecht can absolutely light it up from beyond the arc, McCain can just plain score, Edey is a force in the paint, Mogbo can defend. These are all skills that already make it worthwhile starting those guys, and future development is a bonus. Our guys have to "pan out" else they can't do anything. What's Keyonte's elite skill? What's Cody's even remotely decent skill right now? It's all just hope.
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Knecht soon will be 24, Edey will be 23 in 3 months, Mogbo is already 23. You are comparing our rookies and second-year players to the guys who are 2-3 years older and more experienced.
 
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I would really want to see records on guys who demanded a proper tank vs guys who are now whining about the team looking like trash. I bet there are a lot of overlaps.

I for one was NEVER advocating for this ****, yet I'm not here complaining about doing what has to be done. And the reason it has to be done is the fact that the FO kept skimming the roster making us progressively worse until we were forced to start a bunch of kids who dont yet know how to play NBA ball.

Its bleak that in this world the only dates that matter are the date of the lottery draw and draft day. But thats what majority vote on this board wanted.
 
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I haven't watched a single game this year. This is the year of pain. Hopefully it results in the first #1 pick in franchise history. We are one of the few teams with zero overall #1 picks in our franchise history, a testament to the mediocrity treadmill they have been shooting for over these many years. Hopefully this is what is needed to kick us loose from that and get us on a winning path.
 
Between how horrible this team is, and how horrible the modern "let's chuck 40 3s a game" NBA style is, it's really come close to killing my interest in the Jazz and the NBA in general.

I'll probably never stop following them. I've been watching them for 30+ years and all, but I can't make it through any games this year. It's just not a good use of time.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
The only time the jazz weren’t painful to watch was the 90’s. Efficiency on offense, ball moved, and they played tough nosed elite defense. 90’s is the only time this happened.
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Did you not watch the 1988 playoffs, when we took the eventual champs, the Lakers, to 7 games in the playoffs? No I did not go back and check their offensive efficiency numbers, but if memory serves, they performed well.
 
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I would really want to see records on guys who demanded a proper tank vs guys who are now whining about the team looking like trash. I bet there are a lot of overlaps.

I for one was NEVER advocating for this ****, yet I'm not here complaining about doing what has to be done. And the reason it has to be done is the fact that the FO kept skimming the roster making us progressively worse until we were forced to start a bunch of kids who dont yet know how to play NBA ball.

Its bleak that in this world the only dates that matter are the date of the lottery draw and draft day. But thats what majority vote on this board wanted.
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I wanted the tank. Still want the tank and ain't whining. (Other than I recently whined that I thought we weren't tanking hard enough lol. I was wrong about that)

Having said that, I normally never miss jazz bball. This year I have missed a bunch. It is hard to watch at times. When Kessler was out I didn't watch much and having him back helps.
Hendricks was the player I was most excited to watch develop and that injury really hurt my excitement for this season. That sucked bad

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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
The only time the jazz weren’t painful to watch was the 90’s. Efficiency on offense, ball moved, and they played tough nosed elite defense. 90’s is the only time this happened.
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I disagree. I loved the boozer, memo, d will, AK teams. Even more than Stockton and Malone teams.
I also loved the gobert and Rudy teams. I had so much fun when we finished with the best record in the NBA. Maybe my favorite 82 game stretch of jazz bball of my entire life. We were dominant. Then I got to watch the jazz beat the grizzlies in the playoffs while I was in Hawaii for my first time. Such a great season

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David Hume said:
Did you not watch the 1988 playoffs, when we took the eventual champs, the Lakers, to 7 games in the playoffs? No I did not go back and check their offensive efficiency numbers, but if memory serves, they performed well.
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After moving out West to Colorado from Detroit as a Pistons fan that amazing series was my introduction to The Mailman, Stockton, Sloan and the crew. The next year I moved to SLC and became hooked on Jazz basketball.
 
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