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fishonjazz said:
I disagree. I loved the boozer, memo, d will, AK teams. Even more than Stockton and Malone teams.
I also loved the gobert and Rudy teams. I had so much fun when we finished with the best record in the NBA. Maybe my favorite 82 game stretch of jazz bball of my entire life. We were dominant. Then I got to watch the jazz beat the grizzlies in the playoffs while I was in Hawaii for my first time. Such a great season

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Hell yes. Good times.
 
fishonjazz said:
I wanted the tank. Still want the tank and ain't whining. (Other than I recently whined that I thought we weren't tanking hard enough lol. I was wrong about that)

Having said that, I normally never miss jazz bball. This year I have missed a bunch. It is hard to watch at times. When Kessler was out I didn't watch much and having him back helps.
Hendricks was the player I was most excited to watch develop and that injury really hurt my excitement for this season. That sucked bad

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Not watching is fine. Its the unavoidable byproduct of being bad.

What doesnt make sense is guys who whined about the mid tank and begged for this also whining now. Logically thinking they should be excited.

I know you aint one of them. I'm not sure you have one whiny bone in your body.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree. I loved the boozer, memo, d will, AK teams. Even more than Stockton and Malone teams.
I also loved the gobert and Rudy teams. I had so much fun when we finished with the best record in the NBA. Maybe my favorite 82 game stretch of jazz bball of my entire life. We were dominant. Then I got to watch the jazz beat the grizzlies in the playoffs while I was in Hawaii for my first time. Such a great season

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Don’t get me wrong they were both good teams and all, but always fell short of expectations for specific reasons that drove me insane
 
David Hume said:
Did you not watch the 1988 playoffs, when we took the eventual champs, the Lakers, to 7 games in the playoffs? No I did not go back and check their offensive efficiency numbers, but if memory serves, they performed well.
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Yes, the 80s were a little hazy for me. I was 10 years old in 1988. I remember crying after we lost that series. I was too young to appreciate or not appreciate certain things
 
We suck. The worst part is not one of these guys even remotely appears to have all star potential. You’d think with all these picks someone would’ve hit. Nope.

We have five more months in the season and maybe someone will really develop but I don’t see it. It sucks.
 
I think the Jazz might be 3 or 4 years behind Houston and OKC’s rebuild process. I'm optimistic though now that the Jazz are going deep sea fishing in two strong drafts this year and next.
 
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Keefe said:
We suck. The worst part is not one of these guys even remotely appears to have all star potential. You’d think with all these picks someone would’ve hit. Nope.
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Don't worry, there are still people carrying water for Ainge and his terrible picks. Keyonte is a future 20pt scorer and Cody will become an NBA level 3&D guy. And so on.
 
My biggest problem is that none of the young guys has potential to be anything special. Makes the games hard to watch.
 
The harsh reality about all-out tanking is that you're way, WAY more likely to end up as a perennial awful team than you are to become a contender.

It's a lame strategy. And if you're the type of fan who can't get any satisfaction from cheering for a competitive playoff team unless the team wins it all, you should probably root for a different team.
 
MT Steve said:
The harsh reality about all-out tanking is that you're way, WAY more likely to end up as a perennial awful team than you are to become a contender.

It's a lame strategy. And if you're the type of fan who can't get any satisfaction from cheering for a competitive playoff team unless the team wins it all, you should probably root for a different team.
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What strategy available to us is better, more reliable, or leads to more sustainable success? Even if it is not to build a title contender.

No matter what happens you will have to go through cycles. They can take the edge off of the sucky part if they want but it also lowers the ceiling. Its not about rooting for a playoff team... its about rooting for a team that MIGHT make the play in or a team that outright sucks. There will be down cycles eventually... what is the downside into not leaning into the down cycle? Maybe you hit on a Giannis but you are more likely to become the Bulls/Magic/Wiz (Vuc/Fournier edition).

When you boil it all down every strategy is more likely to end in failure. Pick the least ****** of ****** options.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
When you boil it all down every strategy is more likely to end in failure. Pick the least ****** of ****** options.
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If your definition of "failure" is "didn't win the title", sure.

If your definition of "failure" is "didn't become a competitive playoff team", absolutely not.

Some of you become so enamored with the very rare instances where all-out tanking doesn't end up in complete distaster that you get absolute tunnel vision. When you want to trade a player like Walker Kessler to squeeze out a few more losses, that's when you know you've completely lost the plot.
 
MT Steve said:
The one they've been following through their entire history prior to this tanking era...
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Oh... get extremely lucky drafting in the middle/end of the first round. My dude... they are still trying to do that too. Tanking isn't mutually exclusive. They just haven't hit on a mid first round pick in a while (Walker kinda counts but he is profit from the tear down and rebuild).
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Don't worry, there are still people carrying water for Ainge and his terrible picks. Keyonte is a future 20pt scorer and Cody will become an NBA level 3&D guy. And so on.
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Ainge is in an interesting position. He made very well received moves in his first several months in Utah by trading the vets for a collection of picks and some players who turned out being really good (Lauri, Kessler, Sexton). But since then he made a lot of questionable moves (trading Conley to MIN, Agbaji and Collins trades, lackluster drafting for two years...).

I think this offseason could become a make-or-break time for Danny. If the Jazz get a star prospect or two in 2025 then everything is forgotten and Ainge's strategy will be validated. But if they draft someone like Hendricks or Cody then he may end up being in the hot seat and rumors will start swirling.
 
MT Steve said:
If your definition of "failure" is "didn't win the title", sure.

If your definition of "failure" is "didn't become a competitive playoff team", absolutely not.
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I mean what's funny is that the outright tank teams like Philly are labeled a failure for becoming a competitive playoff team.

Plenty of teams have tried very hard to be competitive playoff teams and ended up ****** on accident. Its also a route that leads to failure a lot. Just because a team like Detroit ends up at the bottom of the conference every year doesn't mean they aren't trying.
MT Steve said:
Some of you become so enamored with the very rare instances where all-out tanking doesn't end up in complete distaster that you get absolute tunnel vision. When you want to trade a player like Walker Kessler to squeeze out a few more losses, that's when you know you've completely lost the plot.
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At this point I'm on the keep Walker train so I'm good there. If the difference between 4th and 6th in the lotto rankings is playing and keeping a guy like Jordan Clarkson or Kris Dunn or Mike Conley... that's where offloading a vet makes 100% sense. Guys like Walker, Collin, maybe John now it becomes harder to evaluate.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What strategy available to us is better, more reliable, or leads to more sustainable success? Even if it is not to build a title contender.

No matter what happens you will have to go through cycles. They can take the edge off of the sucky part if they want but it also lowers the ceiling. Its not about rooting for a playoff team... its about rooting for a team that MIGHT make the play in or a team that outright sucks. There will be down cycles eventually... what is the downside into not leaning into the down cycle? Maybe you hit on a Giannis but you are more likely to become the Bulls/Magic/Wiz (Vuc/Fournier edition).

When you boil it all down every strategy is more likely to end in failure. Pick the least ****** of ****** options.
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The Jazz probably are a playoff team if they signed Tyus Jones and Dillon Brooks over the last two summers (simply because their guard play is so catastrophic).

The Jazz were obviously aiming for higher than that, but it's starting to go sideways.
 
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