He looks really frail/not the greatest athlete….but he has some really good indicators. FT% and STLs are amongst the best.
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He looks really frail/not the greatest athlete….but he has some really good indicators. FT% and STLs are amongst the best.
I havent watched him at all outside of highlights, but he supposedly the fastest player in the draft w/ the ball.
I’ve only seen highlights as well, definitely has my attention though. He and Philon look pretty good.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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Edgecombe - has the athletic talent in spades. He also seems to have a lot of heart. If he gains more IQ he could be dangerous. I think he could develop into one of the better prospects in this draft but he has some work to do. I think he has a lot of functional athleticism. He also tries on defense and that seems some what rare. If the jazz got him in the teens I would be super excited.
I'd be shocked if he fell into the teens.
Sorry but he did NOT woop up on Lebanon James.
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Very true just saying.
My biggest issue with VJ is that for a guy with his athletic capabilities he doesn't have the awareness, currently, to be a great defender. So he currently doesn't project as a difference maker on either end for me.
That said, I would still be happy if we ended up with VJ. He has at least one play every game film I watch of his that is unbelievable. He would be super fun to get to watch every night on the Jazz. I also think that some of his weaknesses are likely to improve over time and when that happens he has as great chance to be a star player.
It will be interesting if we get a guy that is less likely to have an impact on winning next season as we start thinking about the 2026 draft.
That said, I would still be happy if we ended up with VJ. He has at least one play every game film I watch of his that is unbelievable. He would be super fun to get to watch every night on the Jazz. I also think that some of his weaknesses are likely to improve over time and when that happens he has as great chance to be a star player.
It will be interesting if we get a guy that is less likely to have an impact on winning next season as we start thinking about the 2026 draft.
I think we differ on this….but I really value stocks as a future indicator. I don’t mind that he gambles to get to them. It takes some combination of awareness/hustle/athleticism to get them and I’d much rather have a guy who gambles/is out of position more often than a guy who does not create plays on defense. Steals in particular is well known indicator for both offense and defense.
I would bet on VJ being one of the best, if not the best guard defenders in this draft.
Tremendous Upside
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I also like Edgecombe because he plays with some bravado BUT also doesn't mind moving without the ball. In that sense he's a polar opposite of someone like Keyonte.
He just has a good motor. We can't have any more guys who don't.
He just has a good motor. We can't have any more guys who don't.
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Andrej Stojaković is still on fire. 31 points 4 for 6 from 3, 7 rebounds, 3 blocks and 4 assists.
Has the pedigree and a 6'7" frame.
Has the pedigree and a 6'7" frame.
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seattlejazzfan
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Durant's assist to TO was horrendous in college. 46 asts, 99 TO.
Like KD, if he becomes an elite shooter/scorer at 6'10" (which is his archetype and what he would be if he reaches his ceiling) nobody is going to give two ***** what his ast/tov ratio was in college.
Bailey's biggest problem is that he takes too many tough shots and as a result is too inefficient. But he's an extremely young freshmen and that's sorta to be expected - the question is whether he improves on that as he gets older and gains experience.
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KD’s is still double as good as Ace, like I said, I’ve never seen an AST/TOV that bad. I don’t want to get too picky about archetypes, but there is no way in hell I’m looking at KD and seeing optimism for Ace. Just worlds apart in ability in production.
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Ace is just generally playing bad, it's not just passing.
Athletically, he's much more similar to MPJ after the third back surgery than MPJ or Durant in high school.
Ace needs to start making way more threes and more shots in general.
He's nowhere near skilled enough or athletic enough to create offense so he kind of needs to become like Markkanen to be a star. Most likely, he just ends up like MPJ after his third back surgery as his ceiling.
Athletically, he's much more similar to MPJ after the third back surgery than MPJ or Durant in high school.
Ace needs to start making way more threes and more shots in general.
He's nowhere near skilled enough or athletic enough to create offense so he kind of needs to become like Markkanen to be a star. Most likely, he just ends up like MPJ after his third back surgery as his ceiling.
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A couple of observations on European league prospects as I've started my deep dive.
First, the vast majority of European league prospects have been busts. We're still TBD on the last 2-3 drafts, but from 2013-2021 there were 30 1st round draft picks from the European leagues and only 10 of them are guys that I know for sure still play in the league. It might just be a coincidence, but I find it a little funny that in 2016, right after Giannis broke out, there were a high of 7 first round draft picks from the European leagues and none of them really panned out.
Second, the obvious outliers for guys that made it in the NBA were those that were productive in what ever league they were in on a per minute basis. I did a very simple calculation of fantasy points/36 minutes and those prospects who had the highest counting stats were almost all the guys who panned out. The one big exception was Poku, who put up really impressive counting stats, but hasn't panned out. On the other end Hartenstein did not put up very impressive numbers, but has obviously been great in the NBA. Shooting numbers from the European leagues do not seem to be a big prediction for success.
Traore, Saraf, and Essengue are all right on the edge of the FP/36 numbers that have shown to be successful in the NBA. It will be interesting to see where those numbers end up at the end of the year.
After running some more data the trend seems to be holding up. To be more specific the number I'm looking at is 38.7 FP/36 minutes. I'm using the following fantasy points calculation https://fantasydata.com/api/fantasy-scoring-system/nba. I'm now calling this the Killian Hayes line, since this is what he put up. It will be interesting to see how the 2023/2024 draft classes pan out as Bilal, Pacome, Tidjaun, and Zaccharie are all well below the Killian Hayes line. If they all end up being rotation players, and it looks like they could be, then the Killian Hayes line will be debunked.
Here are some selected FP/36 to compare:
David Hume
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I kinda have Nolan Traore at Number 8 on my Big Board, but I readily admit Im no expert draft analyst.