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2024-2025 Tank Race

The Hornets are 1-14 in their last games. Their dedication to tanking knows no bounds and they will seriously challenge Washington for the tanking crown: the Hornets managed to lose twice to the Wizards in the last 4 games (prior to those 2 wins the Wizards were 1-19 in their last 20 and thought that nothing can stop them). Meanwhile the Pelicans are 1-17 in their last games.

Unwavering tanking is so ugly and I don't think that the Jazz have it in them to tank like Washington, Charlotte and New Orleans.
 
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UTA loses by 2
DET wins by 1
NOP loses by 17
BKN wins by 6
TOR loses by 29 (Even after scoring 126pts)
CHI loses by 8
WAS wins/CHA loses by 3
 
homeytennis said:
Great win by the Wiz. Gives us hope.
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I’d rather have Charlotte win imo. We won’t beat the wiz in a tank race. We got a shot against Charlotte. Wiz have the MJ and Scottie of tanking in Poole and Kuzma.
 
I just need to say that if New Orleans gets the number one pick this year, I’m quitting the NBA. I can’t believe they’re in the position they’re in after scoring both AD and Zion this decade. Just an absolute disaster of a franchise.
 
Updated the OP with the current standings. For the next 10 games or so I'm just going to be following New Orleans, Washington, Charlotte, Toronto, Utah, Portland, and Brooklyn.
 
lol, Hollinger called out Hardy in The Athletic for playing Collier and Cody Williams so much.

He says they're easily the two worst players in the NBA and they're just being used as tank commanders by Hardy. He says the only reason this isn't brought up more is because Utah is such a small market.

Which, yes, fair.

Hardy is so hard to evaluate as a coach because his defensive schemes are about as bad as anyone in the league in the last decade, but it's unclear if he's utilizing these schemes to intentionally lose games... And if that's the case, it's not clear how much you want a coach willing to intentionally lose games.
 
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I was listening to Vecenie and he said the two best fits that the Lakers can afford are Sexton or Bruce Brown.
 
From Hoopsrumors: "
  • The lack of progress so far this season from Jazz rookies Cody Williams and Isaiah Collier is an issue, according to John Hollinger of The Athletic, who points out that Williams and Collier rank 331st and 332nd in both PER and BPM out of the 332 players who have logged at least 200 minutes so far this season. While it’s good news for Utah’s draft position that the duo hasn’t been more productive, Williams’ ineffectiveness on offense and Collier’s shooting and turnover issues are becoming concerning, Hollinger opines.
  • The Jazz did see some positive player development in Saturday’s loss to Philadelphia, with Brice Sensabaugh scoring a season-high 20 points and turning in one of the best games of his career, per Andy Larsen of The Salt Lake Tribune (subscription required). Sensabaugh isn’t a defensive asset, but performance like Saturday’s suggest he may have enough offensive potential to make up for that, Larsen writes.
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HadAnEffectHere said:
lol, Hollinger called out Hardy in The Athletic for playing Collier and Cody Williams so much.

He says they're easily the two worst players in the NBA and they're just being used as tank commanders by Hardy. He says the only reason this isn't brought up more is because Utah is such a small market.

Which, yes, fair.

Hardy is so hard to evaluate as a coach because his defensive schemes are about as bad as anyone in the league in the last decade, but it's unclear if he's utilizing these schemes to intentionally lose games... And if that's the case, it's not clear how much you want a coach willing to intentionally lose games.
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I have been thinking the exact same thing. It is one thing for the FO to tank, but when their is no merit based logic around who you play, you loose the team and you mess up the culture big time.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
lol, Hollinger called out Hardy in The Athletic for playing Collier and Cody Williams so much.

He says they're easily the two worst players in the NBA and they're just being used as tank commanders by Hardy. He says the only reason this isn't brought up more is because Utah is such a small market.

Which, yes, fair.

Hardy is so hard to evaluate as a coach because his defensive schemes are about as bad as anyone in the league in the last decade, but it's unclear if he's utilizing these schemes to intentionally lose games... And if that's the case, it's not clear how much you want a coach willing to intentionally lose games.
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Man Hardy is really damned if he does or damned if he doesn't lol. Anyone questioning how good Hardy is makes me laugh. He's not perfect but give me a break. He's clearly playing those guys as "developmental minutes" and if we lose we lose... because that's what his bosses want. Even then the guy wins games or is damn close to it while having no business being in certain games.

Hollinger can bitch all he wants. Grizz say Mike and pulled Gasol from a memorable game in SLC where he had like 40 points and they were going to win. While in the league the orgs he was a part of were as shameless as anyone else. Will has the development crutch to fall back on at least. Not like he is benching two all-stars. He is passing on Svi and Juzang to give Williams/Collier the minutes they need.
 
I think it’s fair to question how good Hardy is because he hasn’t really been given the chance. There’s really not much to go on either direction. But playing Collier and Williams is obviously not an indictment on his coaching skill.

BTW, Hollinger is 100% one of the smarmy media heads who will act like it’s the world’s greatest tragedy if you win while you’re trying to tank.

We all know what’s going here.
 
KqWIN said:
I think it’s fair to question how good Hardy is because he hasn’t really been given the chance. There’s really not much to go on either direction. But playing Collier and Williams is obviously not an indictment on his coaching skill.

BTW, Hollinger is 100% one of the smarmy media heads who will act like it’s the world’s greatest tragedy if you win while you’re trying to tank.

We all know what’s going here.
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100% talking out of both sides of his ***. I like Hollinger but don't act like he wouldn't be killing us if we won a game based on riding Sexton, Svi, Kessler, Lauri, Clarkson while the young guys are riding the bench... I can here him and Duncan on the pod going "I mean what are we doing here..."
 
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