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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

I don’t have a problem believing in cynicism, for I served as an enlisted man in the US Army’s 1st Psychological Operations Battalion (Airborne) conducting armed propaganda, target analysis, and related activities in 1980s Latin America. You see a lot. But as one of our colleagues mentioned, people have big mouths, this stuff should show up.

It actually doesn't need to be information shared with enough people to leak very often. Just a couple people in the league office could make these decisions, perhaps in confidence with an agent or two. Keep everyone under NDA, and leaks would be rare. It's the players themselves, or ex-players, who wouldn't keep their mouths shut.
 
If the Jazz finish the season with the third-worst record, they'll have a 52% chance of getting a top-4 pick and ~93% chance of getting a top-6 pick.
If the Jazz finish the season with the second-worst record, they'll have a 52% chance of getting a top-4 pick and 100% chance of landing a top-6 pick.
Hence, it's looking like the Jazz's backstop should be pick #6. If Flagg, Harper, Bailey Jakucionis, and Johnson are off the board, and the Jazz are unable to trade up for some reason, who would you take at #6?

Is Fears the 6th guy on the Jazz's board? Is it Edgecombe? If you believe in your ability to develop big men, is the answer Maluach?
 
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If the Jazz finish the season with the third-worst record, they'll have a 52% chance of getting a top-4 pick and ~93% chance of getting a top-6 pick.
If the Jazz finish the season with the second-worst record, they'll have a 52% chance of getting a top-4 pick and 100% chance of landing a top-6 pick.
Hence, it's looking like the Jazz's backstop should be pick #6. If Flagg, Harper, Bailey Jakucionis, and Johnson are off the board, and the Jazz are unable to trade up for some reason, who would you take at #6?

Is Fears the 6th guy on the Jazz's board? Is it Edgecombe? If you believe in your ability to develop big men, is the answer Maluach?
Great question. I would hope and pray some one fell in love with Edgecomb and some one slipped.

Edgecombe has the highest ceiling.

Very jazz thing to do would be Knuepple or McNeeley.

Newell has potential also. He seems to be coming on lately. If he has great measurements I would consider him.

I love Sarafs intangibles but at 6. I don't know since he is not a shooter.

Maluach is a monster and could be a monster. I think if flagg wasn't there he would have more blocks.

Queen anyone? Old school.
 
Great question. I would hope and pray some one fell in love with Edgecomb and some one slipped.

Edgecombe has the highest ceiling.

Very jazz thing to do would be Knuepple or McNeeley.

Newell has potential also. He seems to be coming on lately. If he has great measurements I would consider him.

I love Sarafs intangibles but at 6. I don't know since he is not a shooter.

Maluach is a monster and could be a monster. I think if flagg wasn't there he would have more blocks.

Queen anyone? Old school.

If Carter Bryant could shoot off the dribble, I think people would start calling him a lottery or top-10 guy. This draft is just wide open outside the top 5 or 6 picks. Bryant is easily as appealing as a guy like, say, Essengue.
 
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Newell, Queen, Fleming, CMB, Sorber, and Toppin

I'm having a hard time understanding how these guys are ranked vs each other in the mocks and even on my own board. Here's a comparison (could only select 5).


Thoughts?
 
If Carter Bryant could shoot off the dribble, I think people would start calling him a lottery or top-10 guy. This draft is just wide open outside the top 5 or 6 picks. He's easily as appealing as a guy like, say, Essengue.
He's not as appealing as Essengue. Essengue is the 2nd youngest prospect and dropped 20 in a NBA exhibition game.
 
If the Jazz finish the season with the third-worst record, they'll have a 52% chance of getting a top-4 pick and ~93% chance of getting a top-6 pick.
If the Jazz finish the season with the second-worst record, they'll have a 52% chance of getting a top-4 pick and 100% chance of landing a top-6 pick.
Hence, it's looking like the Jazz's backstop should be pick #6. If Flagg, Harper, Bailey Jakucionis, and Johnson are off the board, and the Jazz are unable to trade up for some reason, who would you take at #6?

Is Fears the 6th guy on the Jazz's board? Is it Edgecombe? If you believe in your ability to develop big men, is the answer Maluach?
Edgecombe for me.
 
Great question. I would hope and pray some one fell in love with Edgecomb and some one slipped.

Edgecombe has the highest ceiling.

Very jazz thing to do would be Knuepple or McNeeley.

Newell has potential also. He seems to be coming on lately. If he has great measurements I would consider him.

I love Sarafs intangibles but at 6. I don't know since he is not a shooter.

Maluach is a monster and could be a monster. I think if flagg wasn't there he would have more blocks.

Queen anyone? Old school.
Malauch would probably average less blocks, and far less points, without Cooper.

I think Malauch is a fine prospect, but he doesnt exhibit great instincts as a defender/shotblocker. He is greatly coordinated for a guy his size though, and that has value. He could be like a higher upside Mark Williams. But Malauch is significantly less good at blocking shots despite being more athletic and bigger than Williams, so IDK. He's definitely a "do not draft" guy for me though.
 
Malauch would probably average less blocks, and far less points, without Cooper.

I think Malauch is a fine prospect, but he doesnt exhibit great instincts as a defender/shotblocker. He is greatly coordinated for a guy his size though, and that has value. He could be like a higher upside Mark Williams. But Malauch is significantly less good at blocking shots despite being more athletic and bigger than Williams, so IDK.

I think it's a motor question. Maluach has stretches where he kind of just stands around. He doesn't have the competitive fire that Rudy Gobert has. There isn't this drive to impact every play.
 
Newell, Queen, Fleming, CMB, Sorber, and Toppin

I'm having a hard time understanding how these guys are ranked vs each other in the mocks and even on my own board. Here's a comparison (could only select 5).


Thoughts?

They each have strengths and weaknesses. They each have some real question marks. So it becomes a question of what the team wants and if those weaknesses can be hidden or minimized.

Rasheer Flemming basically fits the NBA with his size/length, combined with being able to shoot fairly well. So maybe he's the most ready to play rotation minutes. He's not much of a ball mover yet, but maybe he could become one.
Queen is interesting and brings a lot to the table. It's not far off for him to get in shape and do some Domantas Sabonis things, especially rebound, but the question is his defense guarding space.
Toppin reminds me a of young John Collins in some ways. He needs to adapt his game to play as a 4 out on the floor like Collins did. There's not much handling and passing right now.

I really am intrigued by Collin Murray-Boyles as a fairly versatile, tough, defensive-minded glue guy. He's got a high skill level, but he'll need to adapt his game to play out on the floor more, similar to, say, what Paul Millsap did. If he measures out well, teams will be intrigued by him for his defense alone.

I haven't watched Sorber much. I think he's more of an undersized 5.

What does Newell do at an NBA level? It's not handling, passing or shooting. It's not self-creating. He's probably not going to guard the 5. I guess he can pick-and-roll some. I'm struggling to see the appeal unless his offensive game just blossoms in some unexpected way.
 
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They each have strengths and weaknesses. They each have some real question marks. So it becomes a question of what the team wants and if those weaknesses can be hidden or minimized.
Yeah, Fleming has the most strengths and least weaknesses, but is the oldest, although by only 6 months.

Asa is typically mocked the highest, but I'm not sure I see an NBA player when I watch his film, even if what he is doing at Georgia has been impressive.

Toppin is typically ranked the lowest even though he averages the most points and rebounds. His efficiency is the worst, but not by much and he has by far the highest usage, so it makes sense. I definitely haven't seen enough Toppin film to really know who he is yet.
 
Yeah, Fleming has the most strengths and least weaknesses, but is the oldest, although by only 6 months.

Asa is typically mocked the highest, but I'm not sure I see an NBA player when I watch his film, even if what he is doing at Georgia has been impressive.

Toppin is typically ranked the lowest even though he averages the most points and rebounds. His efficiency is the worst, but not by much and he has by far the highest usage, so it makes sense. I definitely haven't seen enough Toppin film to really know who he is yet.
Watched Asa yesterday a little and I think he sucks.
 
Yeah, Fleming has the most strengths and least weaknesses, but is the oldest, although by only 6 months.

Asa is typically mocked the highest, but I'm not sure I see an NBA player when I watch his film, even if what he is doing at Georgia has been impressive.

Toppin is typically ranked the lowest even though he averages the most points and rebounds. His efficiency is the worst, but not by much and he has by far the highest usage, so it makes sense. I definitely haven't seen enough Toppin film to really know who he is yet.

The appeal with Asa is probably that he has measurables like a Rasheed Wallace, but he doesn't have anywhere near that skill level.
 
Newell, Queen, Fleming, CMB, Sorber, and Toppin

I'm having a hard time understanding how these guys are ranked vs each other in the mocks and even on my own board. Here's a comparison (could only select 5).


Thoughts?
OK, here's my semi-professional opinion on this topic, semi-professional because I did this analysis while at work. I watched film of each of the guys mentioned in the post above and here are my current rankings and thoughts on each prospect:

1. Queen - I'm not a fan personally, but he has the most upside of anyone. He can really handle the ball for his size, although I think his passing is just ok. He makes bad decisions and his shot needs a lot of work, but I think it has potential. I wish he was younger to make me think he had more potential and to explain some of the dumb stuff he does. He is a capable defender if he locks in, but part of the problem is he's not always locked in.
2. Fleming - I think he's probably only an open 3pt shooter in the NBA, but that should be good enough to keep him on the court. He moves really well for his size and is very intuitive as a defender/knows where to be on the court. He's comfortable guarding both guards and bigs. The most mature looking guy on the list, but also the oldest.
3. Asa - After looking at the film next to the other guys on the list, I get the hype a little more. He's the most athletic guy on the list and for his size moves extremely well. He's very bouncy and constantly moving. I absolutely hate his shot, although it goes in more than most on the list. He's one of the worst defender on the list, but it's mostly an experience thing vs capability, and also because the other guys on the list are all really great. I can see why people would project him to be a good defender.
4. Sorber - I think he has the highest floor of anyone on the list. He will at least be a backup big. He is a monster at defending the rim. He is very sound in his defensive technique. He's not super comfortable defending outside of the paint. He can't dribble, and although the shot needs some work, it isn't completely broken. He's not super bouncy and has to load up before jumping.
5. CMB - Although he's my favorite on the list, it's just really hard to see how he translates to the NBA. I think he has to be able to shoot and he's not really close to being a shooter right now. He has super crazy long arms and has really nice BBIQ, which is how he produces at a high level in college. He's crafty and has some touch, he can dribble and pass ok. He might be able to be a guy you can put at the elbow and work through him. He can guard all over the floor and while isn't tall, you can't post him up.
6. Toppin - I couldn't find very much film on him, so I feel the least comfortable with my analysis. He has an extremely slow release on his jumper, but it looks ok to me. He can't dribble and so settles for some tough shots, but is capable of and kind of loves his floater. He's very physical, and plays the 5 for his team. He's a very good help defender, good recovery, strong, and relentless.

This is extremely fluid and I might have them ranked completely different in a week and by the end of the year. Overall my statement from last night stands. I don't know how you can separate these guys by too much. In a normal draft I would have a hard time picking any of these guys in the lottery, but I don't know how Toppin goes mid-second round (like currently mocked) when he is very close in to prospects getting mocked top 10 (Asa).
 
If the Jazz finish the season with the third-worst record, they'll have a 52% chance of getting a top-4 pick and ~93% chance of getting a top-6 pick.
If the Jazz finish the season with the second-worst record, they'll have a 52% chance of getting a top-4 pick and 100% chance of landing a top-6 pick.
Hence, it's looking like the Jazz's backstop should be pick #6. If Flagg, Harper, Bailey Jakucionis, and Johnson are off the board, and the Jazz are unable to trade up for some reason, who would you take at #6?

Is Fears the 6th guy on the Jazz's board? Is it Edgecombe? If you believe in your ability to develop big men, is the answer Maluach?

I definitely would not pencil in Tre Johnson at 5 just yet....but in the situation you're presenting, it's probably Edgecombe for me. There's like 10+ guys I could see it being though. If you looked at a mock draft from any previous year on this date you would see that there was massive change, and I don't think this year is any different.
 
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