Jazz Suns trade

[jazznik]

One important angle of this trade is that it reveals the thinking of Ryan Smith, who obviously approved this trade. He is clearly committed to the Jazz long-term: he is not looking for quick gambles and is ready to be patient and slowly build a successful team.

Trading upcoming picks for something potentially better 6 years from now is exceedingly rare in the NBA. It greatly exceeds the planning horizon of most GMs and Ainge is unlikely to still be the Jazz GM when/if the player drafted in 2031 starts to contribute meaningfully. But good teams with a strong culture do make these trades, like the Spurs trading their 2024 pick for the swaps in 2030 and 2031 with Minnesota. Ryan Smith wants the Spurs 2.0.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Wait, is this one of those "super swaps" we have been hearing so much about!!??

In a very roundabout way, it is!

I'm not calling it a super swap cuz its just a little different. Its a consolidation deal but I don't like that... not fun enough. I hearby declare this the "Stupid Swap" in that we bet 3 to 1 that yo owner is stupid.

I'm open to other suggestions like "Making Change for a Dollar" swap. Or worst case we don't name it and be lame.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The Jazz weren't going to be able to roster 8 picks in the next 3 drafts. They were going to need to move a few picks anyway. Now, between '25, 26 and 27, they still have 6 picks and in all likelihood have just unloaded a couple of their Cavs picks.

 

[Flc]

It's three bad picks for a low probability shot at a great pick.

Definitely the right move.

The Suns are embarrassing.

Yeah, put it this way. We just traded away picks equivalent to the ones we didn’t want from New York in the rumored Mitchell deal for an unprotected long-term first to a team with a new, hands-on owner who thinks he’s smarter than he is.

Glen Taylor. Dan Gilbert. And now Mat Ishbia.

Ainge knows what he’s doing targeting low IQ and/or cheapskate owners. He’s playing the odds. We see you, big dog.

 

[idiot]

I like the trade. I view it more closer to 50-50 on whether we end up with more value by the time all is said and done. But the prospect of winning the trade by a lot is much higher than of losing the trade by a lot, I think.

 

[jazznik]

Another interesting part of this trade is that the Jazz keeps increasing the number of teams who could give the team a very high pick several years from now. Now it is up to 4 teams: the Jazz, Cavs, Wolves, and Suns. Each of them are unlikely to be really bad at that time and net a high pick, but out of 4 teams it is quite possible that at least one will be really bad and/or lucky with lottery balls.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here it comes...


View: https://x.com/esidery/status/1881877162858516597

this is a weird deal for Milwaukee. Not sure what they are trying to do here. Maybe they think Middleton is completely cooked or maybe they do a second deal to move Dame. Just a lot of salary and it doesn't fix their issues.

 

[nateboz]

Jazz could very well end up with the 6 pick this year. They could've traded that plus these 3 picks for a actual star or trade up. Instead they got a pick 6 years from now. It's impossible to say if that's a good trade. It's just moving assets. We'll see.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That seems false.

I think its true but you need a law degree to understand which pick the Suns actually own in those years. It would likely be better to split the three picks up that we sent and trade those.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Jazz could very well end up with the 6 pick this year. They could've traded that plus these 3 picks for a actual star or trade up. Instead they got a pick 6 years from now. It's impossible to say if that's a good trade. It's just moving assets. We'll see.

Even if the Jazz draft at #6, that still could be Kasparas, Tre Johnson or VJ Edgecombe. All three of these guys are worth drafting. It's also a given that the Jazz are going to tank in '26, when a) it's a very strong draft, and b) the Jazz's pick is only top-8 protected.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If the Jazz are in this deal with PHX already, see if Sexton, Clarkson or Collins move. Clarkson has been a target of Milwaukee in the past.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm not calling it a super swap cuz its just a little different. Its a consolidation deal but I don't like that... not fun enough. I hearby declare this the "Stupid Swap" in that we bet 3 to 1 that yo owner is stupid.

I'm open to other suggestions like "Making Change for a Dollar" swap. Or worst case we don't name it and be lame.

Phoenix desperately needed to put air in their tires so they traded their only dollar for three quarters.

 

[Elizah Huge]

View: https://x.com/espn_macmahon/status/1881855887410950617?s=46

 

[framer]

Another interesting part of this trade is that the Jazz keeps increasing the number of teams who could give the team a very high pick several years from now. Now it is up to 4 teams: the Jazz, Cavs, Wolves, and Suns. Each of them are unlikely to be really bad at that time and net a high pick, but out of 4 teams it is quite possible that at least one will be really bad and/or lucky with lottery balls.

You forgot the Lakers. . .

 

[framer]

I like the trade. I view it more closer to 50-50 on whether we end up with more value by the time all is said and done. But the prospect of winning the trade by a lot is much higher than of losing the trade by a lot, I think.

I'd wager that the Jazz never make that pick. Sell that pick in a couple years for max value for great piece to jumpstart the rebuild. That gives you better than 50/50 odds.

 

[bigmike]

This is some serious 4D chess we’re playing here.

Dangerous game to try and predict the future 6 years out.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I like the trade. I view it more closer to 50-50 on whether we end up with more value by the time all is said and done. But the prospect of winning the trade by a lot is much higher than of losing the trade by a lot, I think.

Well put.

 

[framer]

This is some serious 4D chess we’re playing here.

Dangerous game to try and predict the future 6 years out.

Not really, sell it after KD retires or leaves if you get nervous. It is going to be very, very valuable for the next 3 years at the very least.

 

[framer]

Would you rather have the 27 Clipper pick, the 27 Laker pick, the 28 Bucks pick, or the 31 Suns pick unprotected?

 

[framer]

Also, if there is ever a situation where any of those picks we traded turns out to be worth something, we have already won because we will have 2 picks better than that.