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Do you care about how Utah and Mormons are perceived?

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
When was the last time we had a moral president? To me woke culture goes against all of my beliefs about the family. In my eyes the #1 thing it does is destroy the family with is central to my beliefs. It’s hard to really know what to believe because Fox says one thing and CNN says another. Family is about as important as it gets to the church. There was no way I was going to vote for someone as woke as Harris. I don’t agree with a lot that Trump has done over the years but his beliefs imo are more in line with my beliefs. What I see is that his family loves and respects him. I don’t believe he’s a particularly honest man but I can’t remember the last honest president.

If a none woke democrat had been running there’s a chance I would’ve voted hor that particular individual. I looked at policy in this case I took what I perceived as the lesser of two evils I’m not someone that votes, straight Democrat or Republican, I think of who I believe is the best man for the job and go with that.
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Who said anything about having a moral president.

I simply think it's extremely hypocritical to fervently support (worship/idolize) the least Christ like candidate of all time.


We have never previously had a president who had a fake university, stole from charity, cheated on all three of his wives, slept with a porn star and paid her to keep quiet, had dozens of sexual assault accusations (including a conviction) etc. and I'm leaving a lot off this list. (According to trump avoiding STD's was his personal Vietnam). We have also never had a presidential candidate that you and your religion love as much as this one.
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
When was the last time we had a moral president? To me woke culture goes against all of my beliefs about the family. In my eyes the #1 thing it does is destroy the family with is central to my beliefs. It’s hard to really know what to believe because Fox says one thing and CNN says another. Family is about as important as it gets to the church. There was no way I was going to vote for someone as woke as Harris. I don’t agree with a lot that Trump has done over the years but his beliefs imo are more in line with my beliefs. What I see is that his family loves and respects him. I don’t believe he’s a particularly honest man but I can’t remember the last honest president.

If a none woke democrat had been running there’s a chance I would’ve voted hor that particular individual. I looked at policy in this case I took what I perceived as the lesser of two evils I’m not someone that votes, straight Democrat or Republican, I think of who I believe is the best man for the job and go with that.
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I see. Woke culture destroys families. But cheating on your wives with pornstars doesn't destroy the family in your eyes and is central to your beliefs. Gotcha.

Thank you for proving my point.

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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Please show me the Nazi ideology. And please don’t refer to that picture I know it’s been doctors. It’s a picture from a video that has nothing to do with the Hitler gesture.
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I can longer interact with someone who is this indoctrinated with propaganda.
Was nice knowing ya before trump became your God. I truly hope you see the light someday.

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I love my Mormon friends and family, as misguided as they are.

THEY TOTALLY CARE SO HARD!

Appearances are a pillar of modern Mormon life now. Keeping up with the Jones’ on Swig! Just watch the TV shows. They’re like a mirror of their behavior amplified.

They change scripture and literature to pander to the evangelical’s, who don’t think Mormons are even Christian! Don’t get me started on the Lamanites….

Wild ****.


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Good timing of this thread btw. Just started a movie called Heretic today.
 
Finished that movie Heretic. Pretty good. Best parts were early on when the villain was discussing religion with the victims.

The movie mentioned "the great prayer experiment" and so I looked it up after the movie ended. The results of the study were as expected.
 
fishonjazz said:
Finished that movie Heretic. Pretty good. Best parts were early on when the villain was discussing religion with the victims.

The movie mentioned "the great prayer experiment" and so I looked it up after the movie ended. The results of the study were as expected.
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Yeah I thought it kind of went off the rails when it abandoned the psychological horror for more shock horror. But overall I thought it was pretty good.
 
fishonjazz said:
Finished that movie Heretic. Pretty good. Best parts were early on when the villain was discussing religion with the victims.

The movie mentioned "the great prayer experiment" and so I looked it up after the movie ended. The results of the study were as expected.
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is that the one with Hugh Grant as the villian ?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah I thought it kind of went off the rails when it abandoned the psychological horror for more shock horror. But overall I thought it was pretty good.
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Yep, nailed it. The writing and acting was so so good. Once it switched over to a standard horror type then it was just ok. It had moments of perfection.
 
Douchebag K said:
is that the one with Hugh Grant as the villian ?
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Yes. And it might be his best work. Both female leads are also fantastic. All three actors killed it and they had to because they were basically the only actors in the whole movie and the whole movie took place in just a few rooms basically.
You should watch it. Quite good.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep, nailed it. The writing and acting was so so good. Once it switched over to a standard horror type then it was just ok. It had moments of perfection.
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Absolutely. Really it had the makings of an all-time great psychological horror, but they decided they needed the shock factor to go along with the innocence of Mormon missionaries theme. Some of that depiction was just weird too. My wife and I both served missions, it's how we met, and she said none of the banter between the 2 sister missionaries was realistic at all. Mormonism operates on guilt and shame so those kinds of conversations just really don't happen like that. It would have been way better if it had ended up being a "stockholm syndrome" kind of thriller or something. How it ended really just kind of wasted the excellent performances up until the turning point.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I p

ut my priority in family and god the rest follows in tow because of those things.
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Really? What a sad myopic perspective you have. Then I’ll encourage you to widen your field of vision. Christ, the founder of your religion certainly didn’t teach that his followers should prioritize only their families. We’d live in a pretty sad little world if all anyone cared about was their own immediate families. Just think about where we’d be as a country if people merely concerned themselves with their immediate families and never prioritized those less fortunate, different, or those in society whom you’d never interact with inside your own home. It’s really odd to me because as an educator, I’ve made a career out of caring about those in my classroom, school, and university who are different than I.

Then again, failure to care about those outside of one’s immediate family or tribe is an attitude I’ve seen increase on the right in my lifetime. What a sad development. A moral failure IMO. What good is religion if it doesn’t prompt one to act for the good of society? Your own LDS religion teaches that serving god is key to inheriting the kingdom of god and one cannot inherit the kingdom without serving others. I don’t think you get there by merely caring about those inside your home.
 
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The Thriller said:
Really? What a sad myopic perspective you have. Then I’ll encourage you to widen your field of vision. Christ, the founder of your religion certainly didn’t teach that his followers should prioritize only their families. We’d live in a pretty sad little world if all anyone cared about was their own immediate families.
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No thriller, I remember Christ saying **** the sick, **** the poor, **** those in need, **** the Democrats, **** the hungry, **** the left, **** the tired, and **** your neighbor.
Thee is just living those teachings of Christ.
 
The Thriller said:
Really? What a sad myopic perspective you have. Then I’ll encourage you to widen your field of vision. Christ, the founder of your religion certainly didn’t teach that his followers should prioritize only their families. We’d live in a pretty sad little world if all anyone cared about was their own immediate families. Just think about where we’d be as a country if people merely concerned themselves with their immediate families and never prioritized those less fortunate, different, or those in society whom you’d never interact with inside your own home. It’s really odd to me because as an educator, I’ve made a career out of caring about those in my classroom, school, and university who are different than I.

Then again, failure to care about those outside of one’s immediate family or tribe is an attitude I’ve seen increase on the right in my lifetime. What a sad development. A moral failure IMO. What good is religion if it doesn’t prompt one to act for the good of society? Your own LDS religion teaches that serving god is key to inheriting the kingdom of god and one cannot inherit the kingdom without serving others. I don’t think you get there by merely caring about those inside your home.
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My family is my strength. All my values and everything I believe in and my goals in life come from them.

I truly believe that strong family ties leads to a happy life and my direction is straighter and clearer with a happy fulfilling life and it opens so many avenues. Sad that you don’t see this.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
My family is my strength. All my values and everything I believe in and my goals in life come from them.

I truly believe that strong family ties leads to a happy life and my direction is straighter and clearer with a happy fulfilling life and it opens so many avenues. Sad that you don’t see this.
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How does your family transfer this strength to you? You had no values or beliefs before you had your family? I'm glad your life is "straighter" than it would have been had you not had your family.

Oh, I see it.

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As a believing member of the LDS Church let me add a couple of thoughts to the thread.

As human beings we all care, or at least should care, what others think of us. We are social beings who try to make sense of the world we live in. So the narrative we build for ourselves matters. Shows that stretch the truth to entertain make members of the church fit a narrative that is often easy to dismiss, ridicule, laugh at, or disdain. The Church and its teachings and culture have been a powerful source for good in my life. So negative portrayals of the restored church of Jesus Christ concern me. They just make it easier for other people to put me (& us as members) in narrative that doesn't fit at all.

Several posters have intimated that American Primeval shaped their opinions of Brigham Young, and the Mormons "extremely violent past". The movie is entertainment, not history. Any objective reading of history shows the Mormons were victims of violence far more often than perpetrators. But the narrative of violence will stick in the minds of those who watch the entertaining movie and don't care to read the history. That makes it easier to dismiss the Church and its members as "others", not worthy, or less than. That does worry me.

Another thought is Church members are not all rabid Republicans. I am not a leftist, woke wacko, or liberal nutcase, but I voted for Harris as the only ethical choice. I flew a Harris Walz flag along with my American flag and posted Harris signs in my yard. The comments from members of my ward were all supportive. We even saw several other members/neighbors follow our lead and post their own Harris yard signs. There are many members of the Church who are bitterly opposed to Trump. Check out LDS Women for Ethical Government. ( Sadly, there are also members who support Trump. When I question them on why, they invariably say they don't like his morals but support his policies. When I question which policies, the common thread is abortion. ) My point is don't use a broad brush to paint us members as just similar shades of rightists. My support for Harris was based on my belief system.

The Church encouraged its members to study the issues and vote for candidates that support good causes. In fact Church leadership stressed the danger of party loyalty, and that good can be found in both parties. So don't think that most people in Utah voted for Trump because the Church told them to. The did so because they bought the narrative he was selling.

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