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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

How does one even fix the Hawks? Collins got worse every year under the Hawks, so why would they believe he could actually help them? The only way you are truly helping the Hawks is giving them Kessler.
That could be on the table, also, depending on how the FO is seeing the timetable on the rebuild and if the Hawks are down to throw in some real draft capital.

Collins was also dealing with injury his last season. It would be some wacky all-time ****ery to just do them a solid to **** over a competitor but if anyone would go there it’s Ainge and I would be here for it.
 
Are people here just embracing the idea of the eternal tank? Draft, develop and trade 2-3 years later? Agbaji and Fontecchio last year, Kessler - this year, Hendricks and Keyonte - next season... What is the end goal of that?
Increasing your swings at bat for home runs. Once you get a home run or two then it’s go time. Currently, we got a couple on base but nothing approaching a home run.
 
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Increasing your swings at bat for home runs. Once you get a home run or two then it’s go time. Currently, we got a couple on base but nothing approaching a home run.
So that after you hit that homerun you start swinging with your picks to fill out the roster with quality role players like Kessler?
 
Will the Spurs get in on Butler?

Kind of makes sense. They have the assets. Keldon+Barnes+any of their minimum guys works. Spurs would suddenly become a title contender this year.
 
So that after you hit that homerun you start swinging with your picks to fill out the roster with quality role players like Kessler?
More or less. I’m not trying to dump him overboard, I just think thinking of trading him in general is worth considering when weighed against the return and where we actually are in the rebuild.
 
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What if the Spurs just went "all out" to win this year? I think they would only have to send a single pick out to the Heat to get this done.

All out in quotations, because they would be giving very little up.
 
The Lakers have to sacrifice their first born for Walker. If they think we’re gonna dump him for trash so they can obliterate the value of our pick (and additional draft assets after the trade), they are ****ing high. They are still a fragile build until they sort out the rim protection and defense and right now they couldn’t stop a nosebleed.
What this means:
-Reeves
-‘31 first unprotected
-‘27 protections removed
-‘28 and ‘30 swaps
-all their available 2nds
-begging

Probably still isn’t enough.
 
No way in hell.
It would be such a low cost to the Spurs given how small Butler's market seems to be. Maybe they get lucky and Butler gets squeezed in UFA and he just comes back on a good contract because he wants to win rings with Wemby/Fox.
 
It would be such a low cost to the Spurs given how small Butler's market seems to be. Maybe they get lucky and Butler gets squeezed in UFA and he just comes back on a good contract because he wants to win rings with Wemby/Fox.
I love Jimmy Butler. I think he has lost his ****ing mind and I don’t think the Spurs want any of that around. They are in no hurry.
 
I do wonder if the Luka to LA deal has put any pressure on the Spurs to build faster. I think the Spurs were kind of looking like an ideal UFA destination because of Wemby, but nothing is going to beat Luka/LA for a top tier UFA.
 
Then they are going to waste a lot of time and never be a good team.
They would have like 170M+ committed to 4 guys in a year and a half. So they have to be a bit judicious. I think the Bulls wanted their own pick back which I get and I don't get cuz you can just tank and manage it. Their Gm is poopy trash though. I agree Magic need to do something but they also might write this season off due to injuries... shrug.
 
I love Jimmy Butler. I think he has lost his ****ing mind and I don’t think the Spurs want any of that around. They are in no hurry.
I mean, the Fox deal suggest there is some sort of hurry, or at least they are willing to buy low to make things happen faster. They could have waited 2 years and given up nothing for Fox, but they got him early.

Spurs probably have an air of "Spurs Culture" (ironic I know given Butler ****ed "Heat Culture").

Like, the deal I outlined, what pick would the Spurs be willing to give up? Certainly not the Hawks pick in 2027, but they have so many first to use of varying values.
 
More or less. I’m not trying to dump him overboard, I just think thinking of trading him in general is worth considering when weighed against the return and where we actually are in the rebuild.
And do you have the tentative reasonable timeline of when the team will try to compete under this scenario? Say, the Jazz draft their centerpiece in 2026 and begin drafting future kesslers and sextons in 2027-29. It will take 2-3 years for all of those young players to develop, so the Jazz can finally try to make playoffs in 2031/32?

Are we even sure that that centerpiece will not force his way out after several years of being on an absolutely horrible team that has been tanking for a decade? And if so, what then? Rinse and repeat?
 
I do wonder if the Luka to LA deal has put any pressure on the Spurs to build faster. I think the Spurs were kind of looking like an ideal UFA destination because of Wemby, but nothing is going to beat Luka/LA for a top tier UFA.
I don't think they feel any pressure. The deal they got for Fox kinda shows that. They gave up one of their premium picks, garbage contracts, a late first, and some seconds for an all-star (okay borderline in the west) pg in his prime. It was a very measured "here is our best offer and we are fine with you walking cuz we ain't all that concerned on hitting the gas".
 
I don't think they feel any pressure. The deal they got for Fox kinda shows that. They gave up one of their premium picks, garbage contracts, a late first, and some seconds for an all-star (okay borderline in the west) pg in his prime. It was a very measured "here is our best offer and we are fine with you walking cuz we ain't all that concerned on hitting the gas"

Yeah and they can do a similiar deal to get Butler, who is a better player and will be cheaper.

And I do think the Lakers deal added some pressure. They will have max space in 2026 along with the Heat, so the top two destination markets for elite UFA. Lakers now have Luka to make that market boom for any star who wants to join. Heat not so much, but it's still Miami, so the Spurs might not get "the guy" in UFA anymore and will have to settle for someone who isnt on the elite spectrum.
 
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