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Plays for the most ******* ACC team in recent memory in Miami, but Cleveland is having a good year and is probably a top tier 2nd round prospect if he falls low due to how bad Miami has been. Has an eye poppingly bad -1.6 DBPM, but he seemingly has the physical tools to be a good defender, so I'm not sure how much of that is on him vs how bad Miami is as a team.
 
idiot said:
A thought exercise:

If Flagg, Harper, and Bailey came out strongly today and said they're all definitely returning to college next year, what would you advise the Jazz to do?

Would you tell them to win as much as possible and see if they can get that OKC debt conveyed this year (and then maybe trade what you can after the season to go all in for a tank next year)?
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If the Jazz come out of this draft with Kasparas, Tre or probably Edgecombe, then this tank year will have been a success. Besides, there's no way these guys are going to give up getting drafted into generational wealth and fame. Utah isn't a less desirable situation than places like Charlotte, Toronto or poorly run franchises like Chicago, New Orleans and Washington.
 
jazznik said:
To be honest, if I were someone like Flagg or Harper and I had to choose between the bottom feeders of Washington, New Orleans, Charlotte, Toronto and Utah, the Jazz would be my last choice by far. A combination of weather, small town feel and the fact that the Jazz have no promising young players. Even Charlotte at least has LaMelo with all his followers. Believe me, there are no college players salivating at the thought of playing with the great Lauri Markkanen. Utah has zero pull now.
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I already knew this is how you feel even before reading this post.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Stfu. Again, I dont get posters like you who come on here to be negative for the sake of being negative.

For one thing, the Jazz have Lauri, who is arguably the best player on any of those teams. LaMelo has won nothing in his life (literally has lost at every level). The Jazz also have Walker Kessler, who pairs amazingly with Cooper because he likes playing with Malauch to give him vertical spacing for lob threats. Utah is arguably the best fit for him if he wants to win now and be on a team that fits well around him.
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I'm not going to argue if Cooper likes a bigger market, because I dont know him, but he is from Maine. He's use to small town cold.
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It is just being realistic. SLC even in the best years was routinely mentioned as the worst destination for the NBA players. Two most recent centerpieces the Jazz had, Hayward and Mitchell, clearly wanted out. Heck, even Conley did not want to come to the Jazz but was forced to.

But more specifically, you are looking at the things from the GM perspective and not as an 18-year old star. Playing with quality role players like Markkanen and Kessler will get you nothing when you are 19. While playing with LaMelo immediately makes you the center of attention for media and social media. And, btw how many endorsements Kessler and Lauri have compared to LaMelo? Like, both of them combined?

I think that the most realistic way for the Jazz to build the team is to lean heavily on foreign players like Memo, AK and Lauri. Even if the Jazz somehow get Flagg there is a high chance that he will try to find his way out by the time the Jazz are competitive. And, anyway, personally as an NBA fan I would not want Flagg wasting his entertainment and competitive potential in the wasteland that the Jazz is likely destined to be for the next several years: no other star prospects, second-rate veterans, young and inexperienced coach, the lack of team culture. The Jazz are in the total disarray and all they have is praying that somehow a future superstar falls into their lap, sticks with the team and fixes everything. It rarely works.

Oh, and also, you should try to remember that you are on the discussion board where different people WILL have different opinions and that is by design. If it annoys you you may want to explore something called Mirror Work. "Mirror work is a self-help practice that involves talking to yourself in the mirror, often using positive affirmations. This technique aims to improve self-esteem and foster a deeper connection with yourself. "
 
jazznik said:
It is just being realistic. SLC even in the best years was routinely mentioned as the worst destination for the NBA players. Two most recent centerpieces the Jazz had, Hayward and Mitchell, clearly wanted out. Heck, even Conley did not want to come to the Jazz but was forced to.

But more specifically, you are looking at the things from the GM perspective and not as an 18-year old star. Playing with quality role players like Markkanen and Kessler will get you nothing when you are 19. While playing with LaMelo immediately makes you the center of attention for media and social media. And, btw how many endorsements Kessler and Lauri have compared to LaMelo? Like, both of them combined?

I think that the most realistic way for the Jazz to build the team is to lean heavily on foreign players like Memo, AK and Lauri. Even if the Jazz somehow get Flagg there is a high chance that he will try to find his way out by the time the Jazz are competitive. And, anyway, personally as an NBA fan I would not want Flagg wasting his entertainment and competitive potential in the wasteland that the Jazz is likely destined to be for the next several years: no other star prospects, second-rate veterans, young and inexperienced coach, the lack of team culture. The Jazz are in the total disarray and all they have is praying that somehow a future superstar falls into their lap, sticks with the team and fixes everything. It rarely works.

Oh, and also, you should try to remember that you are on the discussion board where different people WILL have different opinions and that is by design. If it annoys you you may want to explore something called Mirror Work. "Mirror work is a self-help practice that involves talking to yourself in the mirror, often using positive affirmations. This technique aims to improve self-esteem and foster a deeper connection with yourself. "
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Traore with another good game in tournament play. 19/3/3 in 23 minutes 8/14 from the field, and 2/3 from 3. His team lost though, so I believe they are done for a little bit.

Since following him this year, it seems like he has his best games in the biggest games. I think he has as much upside as almost anyone in the draft, but also has a high bust potential as well.
 
jazznik said:
It is just being realistic. SLC even in the best years was routinely mentioned as the worst destination for the NBA players. Two most recent centerpieces the Jazz had, Hayward and Mitchell, clearly wanted out. Heck, even Conley did not want to come to the Jazz but was forced to.

But more specifically, you are looking at the things from the GM perspective and not as an 18-year old star. Playing with quality role players like Markkanen and Kessler will get you nothing when you are 19. While playing with LaMelo immediately makes you the center of attention for media and social media. And, btw how many endorsements Kessler and Lauri have compared to LaMelo? Like, both of them combined?

I think that the most realistic way for the Jazz to build the team is to lean heavily on foreign players like Memo, AK and Lauri. Even if the Jazz somehow get Flagg there is a high chance that he will try to find his way out by the time the Jazz are competitive. And, anyway, personally as an NBA fan I would not want Flagg wasting his entertainment and competitive potential in the wasteland that the Jazz is likely destined to be for the next several years: no other star prospects, second-rate veterans, young and inexperienced coach, the lack of team culture. The Jazz are in the total disarray and all they have is praying that somehow a future superstar falls into their lap, sticks with the team and fixes everything. It rarely works.

Oh, and also, you should try to remember that you are on the discussion board where different people WILL have different opinions and that is by design. If it annoys you you may want to explore something called Mirror Work. "Mirror work is a self-help practice that involves talking to yourself in the mirror, often using positive affirmations. This technique aims to improve self-esteem and foster a deeper connection with yourself. "
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You know Flagg is from Maine right? Maine. W T F is in Maine!? He's used to the small town life because all that Maine consists of dairy farms. He went to high school in a town that only had 3,000 people.

Duke University is also in a small college town in North Carolina. What makes you all of a sudden think a small town kid from Maine will want to be surrounded in a massive city with the media micromanaging his career? He'd have a far more laid back experience in Utah where the media will cater and coddle him.
 
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jazznik said:
To be honest, if I were someone like Flagg or Harper and I had to choose between the bottom feeders of Washington, New Orleans, Charlotte, Toronto and Utah, the Jazz would be my last choice by far. A combination of weather, small town feel and the fact that the Jazz have no promising young players. Even Charlotte at least has LaMelo with all his followers. Believe me, there are no college players salivating at the thought of playing with the great Lauri Markkanen. Utah has zero pull now.
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- First of all, almost no one wants to play in Canada unless they're Canadian, so you can cross Toronto off as a preferred destination. (It's also very, very cold there.)
- Second of all, players like Dylan Harper and Kasparas Jakucionis aren't going to want to go to Charlotte where they'll have to watch Lamelo play with the ball in his hands. Lamelo is also kind of an ***. You have to look at opportunity and role a team offers.
- Washington is a perpetually bad franchise, with a bad front office and some of the worst player development in the league. Players aren't going to line up to go there.
- Jazz probably have the best front office and the best coaching of all the teams you've mentioned.

I get that Utah is a mid-size city in the mountains with a boring, milquetoast atmosphere, but it's actually a good situation for a pro athlete to develop and start winning games in the next few seasons.
 
jazznik said:
It is just being realistic. SLC even in the best years was routinely mentioned as the worst destination for the NBA players. Two most recent centerpieces the Jazz had, Hayward and Mitchell, clearly wanted out. Heck, even Conley did not want to come to the Jazz but was forced to.

But more specifically, you are looking at the things from the GM perspective and not as an 18-year old star. Playing with quality role players like Markkanen and Kessler will get you nothing when you are 19. While playing with LaMelo immediately makes you the center of attention for media and social media. And, btw how many endorsements Kessler and Lauri have compared to LaMelo? Like, both of them combined?

I think that the most realistic way for the Jazz to build the team is to lean heavily on foreign players like Memo, AK and Lauri. Even if the Jazz somehow get Flagg there is a high chance that he will try to find his way out by the time the Jazz are competitive. And, anyway, personally as an NBA fan I would not want Flagg wasting his entertainment and competitive potential in the wasteland that the Jazz is likely destined to be for the next several years: no other star prospects, second-rate veterans, young and inexperienced coach, the lack of team culture. The Jazz are in the total disarray and all they have is praying that somehow a future superstar falls into their lap, sticks with the team and fixes everything. It rarely works.

Oh, and also, you should try to remember that you are on the discussion board where different people WILL have different opinions and that is by design. If it annoys you you may want to explore something called Mirror Work. "Mirror work is a self-help practice that involves talking to yourself in the mirror, often using positive affirmations. This technique aims to improve self-esteem and foster a deeper connection with yourself. "
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Damn, you are kind of a douche.
Regarding your last paragraph, ignore function > whatever mirror work is.
Have fun with tremendous downside

Bye.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
- First of all, almost no one wants to play in Canada unless they're Canadian, so you can cross Toronto off as a preferred destination. (It's also very, very cold there.)
- Second of all, players like Dylan Harper and Kasparas Jakucionis aren't going to want to go to Charlotte where they'll have to watch Lamelo play with the ball in his hands. Lamelo is also kind of an ***. You have to look at opportunity and role a team offers.
- Washington is a perpetually bad franchise, with a bad front office and some of the worst player development in the league. Players aren't going to line up to go there.
- Jazz probably have the best front office and the best coaching of all the teams you've mentioned.

I get that Utah is a mid-size city in the mountains with a boring, milquetoast atmosphere, but it's actually a good situation for a pro athlete to develop and start winning games in the next few seasons.
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Do note that even a place free agents are not excited about, Toronto, has won an NBA Championship. They did it through careful building and crafty strategizing, seizing their opportunity. So there is indeed hope that Utah can win a championship one day. If MJ had gotten injured, we might already have one or two.
 
David Hume said:
Do note that even a place free agents are not excited about, Toronto, has won an NBA Championship. They did it through careful building and crafty strategizing, seizing their opportunity. So there is indeed hope that Utah can win a championship one day. If MJ had gotten injured, we might already have one or two.
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Yeah, Toronto gambled with Kawhi on a one-year rental. Then they watched as KD tore his achilles and Klay Thompson tore his ACL. So, it's kind of an outlier. The Jazz's role models should be San Antonio and Denver.
 
jazznik said:
It is just being realistic. SLC even in the best years was routinely mentioned as the worst destination for the NBA players. Two most recent centerpieces the Jazz had, Hayward and Mitchell, clearly wanted out. Heck, even Conley did not want to come to the Jazz but was forced to.

But more specifically, you are looking at the things from the GM perspective and not as an 18-year old star. Playing with quality role players like Markkanen and Kessler will get you nothing when you are 19. While playing with LaMelo immediately makes you the center of attention for media and social media. And, btw how many endorsements Kessler and Lauri have compared to LaMelo? Like, both of them combined?

I think that the most realistic way for the Jazz to build the team is to lean heavily on foreign players like Memo, AK and Lauri. Even if the Jazz somehow get Flagg there is a high chance that he will try to find his way out by the time the Jazz are competitive. And, anyway, personally as an NBA fan I would not want Flagg wasting his entertainment and competitive potential in the wasteland that the Jazz is likely destined to be for the next several years: no other star prospects, second-rate veterans, young and inexperienced coach, the lack of team culture. The Jazz are in the total disarray and all they have is praying that somehow a future superstar falls into their lap, sticks with the team and fixes everything. It rarely works.

Oh, and also, you should try to remember that you are on the discussion board where different people WILL have different opinions and that is by design. If it annoys you you may want to explore something called Mirror Work. "Mirror work is a self-help practice that involves talking to yourself in the mirror, often using positive affirmations. This technique aims to improve self-esteem and foster a deeper connection with yourself. "
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Dude, you're clearly trolling. The Jazz will have a bonafide competitive team sooner than Charlotte, Washington, Toronto or New Orleans. Not sure why you're so obsessed with Charlotte either. It's a small market that gets even less attention than the Jazz does. Lamelo Ball is also seen as kind of a douche. No one cares that much about Instagram follows.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
- First of all, almost no one wants to play in Canada unless they're Canadian, so you can cross Toronto off as a preferred destination. (It's also very, very cold there.)
- Second of all, players like Dylan Harper and Kasparas Jakucionis aren't going to want to go to Charlotte where they'll have to watch Lamelo play with the ball in his hands. Lamelo is also kind of an ***. You have to look at opportunity and role a team offers.
- Washington is a perpetually bad franchise, with a bad front office and some of the worst player development in the league. Players aren't going to line up to go there.
- Jazz probably have the best front office and the best coaching of all the teams you've mentioned.

I get that Utah is a mid-size city in the mountains with a boring, milquetoast atmosphere, but it's actually a good situation for a pro athlete to develop and start winning games in the next few seasons.
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I have no problem with bringing up Utah being a lackluster location for young guys, but let's not go overboard with the pessimism.

And Walker+Lauri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMelo Ball
 
This somehow comes up a lot on this board, but just a reminder that different people like different things. I grew up in Utah and would prefer not to live there again. Other people move there and love it in Utah. I never planned on moving to Indiana, but love it now that I'm here. Lots of players end up loving Utah once they get there, for example Deron Williams.

I think more important to high level draft picks is the Front Office, how they develop players, and most importantly if there is playing time available or another player at their position that would affect playing time.
 
I think many posters on this site lost the meaning of what the sport is about. It is about competing hard, playing fair, doing your best and being proud of what you achieved with all your effort. Does it guarantee the ultimate win? Of course not, that's life. But watching it is so much fun.

Intentionally losing games, finding loopholes in the trading and drafting rules, treating players as disposable units of value for the indeterminate future gains is really about something else. It has been 3 years since the team I follow, the Utah Jazz played any honest, hard-fought basketball and I am missing it. I don't want to cheer for the team on how creative they are in finding different ways to lose and game the rules.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
This somehow comes up a lot on this board, but just a reminder that different people like different things. I grew up in Utah and would prefer not to live there again. Other people move there and love it in Utah. I never planned on moving to Indiana, but love it now that I'm here. Lots of players end up loving Utah once they get there, for example Deron Williams.

I think more important to high level draft picks is the Front Office, how they develop players, and most importantly if there is playing time available or another player at their position that would affect playing time.
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Flagg also has enough cache that he's going to be popular anywhere he goes. He's going to get endorsements. He's going to be a media/endorsements darling because he's an extremely good white American with a very average american look/relatability in a way that hasnt been seen since Larry Bird.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I have no problem with bringing up Utah being a lackluster location for young guys, but let's not go overboard with the pessimism.

And Walker+Lauri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMelo Ball
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Also, if you’re a serious professional, night life should be low on your list of priorities. Winners tend to be serious. Add that to the list of reasons to like Flagg, he does not seem at all concerned about bull **** like this.
 
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