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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Bawse Dawg said:
No Fleming in your sig?
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Fleming would be a good choice for the Twolves pick. I added him back in. That list is getting crowded though. I'll need to pare it down.

With John Collins holding a player option for next season and with both Hendricks and Cody Williams looking iffy so far, I think the Jazz will prioritize big wings/forwards in this draft. The mid-1st round has several quality prospects to choose from. Incidentally, that Clippers team that beat the Jazz in the Bubble during covid was really well put together, with Kawhi, PG, Marcus Morris and Nic Batum all on the perimeter. Fleming has the right profile and skillset to eventually play that Marcus Morris-type role, rotating at the 4 and possibly the 5 in various lineups. He's one of the best options in this draft to step in and replace much of what John Collins is giving us. He's allegedly super long too.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
  1. Flagg
  2. Harper
  3. Edgecombe
  4. Bailey
  5. Kasper Jak
  6. Johnson
  7. Fleming
  8. Traore
  9. McNeeley
  10. Bryant
  11. Wolf
  12. Queen
  13. Essengue
  14. Richardson
  15. Fears
  16. Malauch
  17. Gonzalez
  18. Demin
  19. Sorber
  20. Murray-Boyles
  21. Knueppel
  22. Saraf
  23. Beringer
  24. Fland
  25. Lawal
  26. Broome
  27. Clifford
  28. Toppin
  29. Newell
  30. Z Ivisic
Rough attempt at a top 30
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A guy I've forgotten about, but I really like to start the year: Cedric Coward. He tore his ACL after their first 6 games, so he will probably medical redshirt and return, but if he doesn't, he would be in the top 30
 
Starting to come to the conclusion that Ace's best case scenario is actually healthy Lauri Markkanen, lol.

-Can't create any separation
-Horrible passer
-Elite shooter
-Elite at the rim finisher
-Very big
-Extremely up and down defender

Had to think of guys this horrible at creating offense and passing that were stars or near stars other than Klay and Lauri though.

The big question is how good Ace's shooting and ability to move around screens actually is.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Starting to come to the conclusion that Ace's best case scenario is actually healthy Lauri Markkanen, lol.

-Can't create any separation
-Horrible passer
-Elite shooter
-Elite at the rim finisher
-Very big
-Extremely up and down defender

Had to think of guys this horrible at creating offense and passing that were stars or near stars other than Klay and Lauri though.

The big question is how good Ace's shooting and ability to move around screens actually is.
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I think the MPJ comp isn't bad for Ace. I'd argue that there's also some Paul George, though not as explosive or capable getting downhill. Again, it's really hard to project what an NBA player will look like on a crowded college floor. But Ace looks like a high-level secondary scorer who benefits from someone else drawing defenders.

You know though, if Ace develops well he might be able to do some Tatum stuff.
 
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In terms of pure advantage creation, the best advantage creators look to be Dylan Harper or possibly Derik Queen, assuming Queen is used in a high-post, Sabonis-type role. Otherwise, Flagg, Kasparas and Edgecombe should be able to create advantages in certain situations. There could be an outlier scenario where Collin Murray-Boyles becomes an on-ball creator, a bit like Draymond Green, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Guys like Demin and maybe McNeeley might be able to initiate if they work off a screen.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I think the MPJ comp isn't bad for Ace. I'd argue that there's also some Paul George, though not as explosive or capable getting downhill. Again, it's really hard to project what an NBA player will look like on a crowded college floor. But Ace looks like a high-level secondary scorer who benefits from someone else drawing defenders.
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I just don't think MPJ is an interesting or game changing player at all. He can be the 4th best guy on a good team, but I don't think he's more than a fringe top 75 guy in the NBA.
 
Here is another 2nd round special Trent McLaughlin of Northern Arizona is averaging 21.7 ppg for the season and had 35 points last night. A 6'6" wing. It helps if you can put that globe shaped orange thing through the hoop.
 
homeytennis said:
Here is another 2nd round special Trent McLaughlin of Northern Arizona is averaging 21.7 ppg for the season and had 35 points last night. A 6'6" wing. It helps if you can put that globe shaped orange thing through the hoop.
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he's good at throwing the orange thing towards the hoop. but just not that good at putting the orange thing through the hoop.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Maryland HC said Queen would be the #1 pick if he was white and European.
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Classic college basketball hallucination. Queen is strictly a post player who thrives in the outdated NCAA environment where teams still pound the ball in half court and try to force it inside.

He's a crafty kid near the rim and kinda fun to watch, but nobody is a #1 pick these days with that kind of non-shooting. No need to bring race into this.
 
My current NBA Draft tiers:

Generational

Cooper Flagg

Perennial All-Star/Superstar

Dylan Harper

Potential All-Star

Ace Bailey
VJ Edgecombe
Tre Johnson
Kasparas Jakucionis
 
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SoberasHotRod said:
That's a great game for him against a really good team.
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Not sure how it will translate, but his craftiness in the PnR is really great. I think only Kas exceeds him that area. I think a lot of people are going to say he needs another year, but with the relatively weak strength of prospects outside of the top 6 I could see him going lotto.
 
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