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Even people in this country (United states) are saying Putin is lying about Ukraine's soldiers being encircled. Yet, Trump was telling people today that the troops are encircled so he is believing Putin. When Trump says things are going well and he had a good talk with Putin it doesn't seem like things are going well for Ukraine when he keeps saying Putin's points. Putin wants the Ukraine troops to surrender in Kursk so they can't use that land in negotiations. How about Russian troops surrendering in Ukraine?

You do understand that Trump got "instructions" from Putin through his good friend Steve Witkoff, a real estate developer with NO DIPLOMATIC EXPERIENCE And Putin refused to meet with Gen Kellogg.
This is potentially much more sinister. Trump is selling Ukraine for his own wealth, while continuing to establish an authoritarian regime in the US.

"...guaranteed life and a worthy treatment in accordance with the norms of international law and the laws of the Russian Federation...."
That's not very reassuring.

Especially since the the norms of international law and the laws of the Russian federation, certainly as practiced, at least, are very much at odds.

Their laws are in direct conflict with what has been happening on the battlefield and in captivity for the past three years. And most non-Russian soldiers who are released look like concentration camp survivors, starved and with untreated injuries. In short, Putin lies again.

The question, is Vladimir Putin the most powerful man in America?
This war started and is ongoing because Putin invaded Ukraine claiming it is and has always been part of Russia and has no right to exist as an independent nation. Russia has not moved from this initial view.
There are only two ways for the war to end, for Russia to end its invasion and withdraw its troops or for Ukraine to fully capitulate, surrender, to Putin.
If anything good came of Zelensky's meeting with Trump in the oval office it is that Ukraine showed it will not surrender no matter what is U.S. policy. It was no accident that Vance interjected attacking Zelensky when Zelensky made the key point that Putin cannot be trusted to keep any agreement having broken every promise and agreement he has made in regard to Ukraine.
What American policy toward the war should be is to put maximum pressure on Putin and Russia to end the war and go home.
What to expect from Trump given his track record is more incoherence if not outright betrayal of Ukraine, NATO and American values.
I have read on commentator say that the worst part of Trump being president again is that Vladimir Putin is again the most powerful man in America. Trump's action so far have confirmed this view.
 
But of course. What Putin wants, Putin gets.: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=675d847200e249c3b83b68d325abce3f&ei=36

President Donald Trump said on Saturday that General Keith Kellogg's role has been narrowed from special envoy for Ukraine and Russia to only Ukraine, after Russian officials had sought to exclude him from talks aiming to end the war.

"General Kellogg, a Highly Respected Military Expert, will deal directly with President (Volodymyr Zelenskiy), and Ukrainian leadership," Trump said in a post on Truth Social. "He knows them well, and they have a very good working relationship together."

Russian officials had communicated to their counterparts in the United States that they did not want Kellogg involved in top-level discussions aimed at ending the Ukraine war, sources told Reuters this week. Some high-ranking former Russian officials have complained that Kellogg was, in their view, too sympathetic to Kyiv.
 

Around 20 countries have contributed to Czechia’s initiative to supply Ukraine with much-needed artillery shells. The participating nations include Canada, Germany, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belgium, Finland, Portugal, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Spain, and Slovenia.

This broad coalition ensures Ukraine continues receiving the necessary firepower to counter Russian aggression.

A Ukrainian security official told NV that the shells will be sourced from South Korea and South Africa, with the total contract valued at approximately $2 billion.
 
fishonjazz said:

Around 20 countries have contributed to Czechia’s initiative to supply Ukraine with much-needed artillery shells. The participating nations include Canada, Germany, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belgium, Finland, Portugal, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Spain, and Slovenia.

This broad coalition ensures Ukraine continues receiving the necessary firepower to counter Russian aggression.

A Ukrainian security official told NV that the shells will be sourced from South Korea and South Africa, with the total contract valued at approximately $2 billion.
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I just noticed something. Look at the list of countries helping get ammo to Ukraine. Canada, Denmark (Greenland), South Africa.
All countries that have been in trumps crosshairs since he took office.
All countries helping Ukraine stand up to Russia.
Hmmmm
 
So zelensky accepts a cease fire with no demands of their own.
Putin rejected that proposal. trump and trumpers criticized zelensky for wanting the war to continue after the meeting in the white house with zelensky but not a peep about putin rejecting the ceasefire that ukraine agreed to. Putin instead said that he would accept a truce on attacking energy. Why did he want that specifically? Ukraine had been hitting russian oil production facilities. Putin and trump dont like when the oil gets affected. People getting killed? eh. Oil getting hit? Hold on, we have to stop this! Once again Trump is willing to hamstring the Ukrainians with his "truce". Russia is losing the war on oil and gas production. The Ukrainians have been extremely successful on attacking those sources of war revenue that Putin desperately needs. Putin gets the Ukrainians to stop those attacks, and he has time and money to rearm and secure those vulnerable sites.

Oh and Russia attacked Ukraine again literally hours after this phone call with trump.

Putin also wants ukrain to recieve no further military aid in any future ceasefire. Russia wants to be able to rearm and rebuild their weaponry stocks/supplies but dont want ukraine doing the same. That way the next invasion would have russia at a more advantageous position.

Remember when zelensky didn't wear a suit to a meeting and trump and trumpers all freaked out about the disrespect? Putin purposely made President Trump wait for an hour, publicly dismissing him while attending a conference yet not a peep about that disrespect.

So Putin's list of demands, in order to stop the war they began, includes not allowing peacekeeping troops to be based in Ukraine, no entrance into NATO, military aid stopped, and the cessation of intelligence info. from the United States, and I'm assuming, from the European Union.

Seems to me that Russia is already planning another invasion of Ukraine, and since Trump has previously stopped the transfer of military hardware and intelligence data, and isn't fond of NATO, and pre-negotiations, said Ukraine will need to cede territory to Russia, it would appear that Trump won't have a problem with anything Putin wants.

After the extreme harm the Russians have evilly inflicted on the innocent people in Ukraine, it seems like demanding that the Ukrainians give up their right to self-defense would be a nonstarter. If the Russians don't intend to go further at a time of their choosing, they would not be demanding that the Ukrainians give up their inherent right to protect themselves from further Russian aggression. For one reason or another, it seems clear that this Administration is acting in Putin's best interests, not the interests of the Free World.

The short story is that, so far Russia is being given the upper hand in practically every aspect. The Ukrainians are expected to capitulate and that will effectively be the end of the Ukraine as an independent nation.
If things follow this trajectory it will only embolden North Korea, China, and anyone else with their sights set on obtaining more territory or resources by force. Given some of the rhetoric coming out of the current government, it could set the that results in Canada ending up as the 51st state. Greenland and Panama should be on tenterhooks right now.

So, it's ok if North Korea and others continue to provide military support with troops and ammunitions for Russia but Ukraine can't have that? Then, the "economic" issues that Trump wants with Russia is a talking point for stopping the war? Sure seems like Russia has Trump on their side in these negotiations.

"The Russian side said a “key condition” for any resolution to halt the war was the end of U.S. and European support for Ukraine." Hey Putin, try this on for size: how about if you take all your military home and send the North Koreans home; stop killing Ukrainians who you invaded; give all their land back, that you invaded; and make reparations to the Ukrainians, who you invaded, then we'll talk. Until then, arms shipments and European support will continue.

Who would have imagined, 2 months ago, that America, the defender of Democracy across the world, would be having our President licking the boots of the Russian President, calling a Democratically elected President of a Democratic Nation a Dictator for fighting against an invading Communist country, telling that nation that they will have to give up parts of their country to the invader... and all while Russia HAD SIGNED an internationally recognized treaty with the Ukraine in the 90's, vowing to never invade or have hostilities towards the country, in exchange for all of their old soviet nukes... which they agreed to and delivered.

Trump has done more to destroy the credibility and reputation of our country in 2 months, than all previous presidents, combined, in the past 30 years.

Why would Putin agree to a peace deal?
He invaded Ukraine.
If he wanted peace he would withdraw.
He wants to achieve victory by manipulating trumps and the process because he can't achieve victory on the battlefield.

I heard when they ended the phone call, they played the "No, you hang up" game.
 
“We agreed to an immediate Ceasefire on all Energy and (Energy) Infrastructure..”
Because that’s what the Ukranians have been targeting throughout the war. NEVER a public place such as schools, or parks or hospitals the way Putin does.

This “deal” essentially stops only the Ukrainians but not the Russians. It’s not a true ceasefire. In fact, Russia bombed a hospital moments after the phone call ended.

Another important detail is the fact that Putin was LATE FOR AN HOUR on that phone call. It’s a power move he’s done to mock other world leaders. And now he’s done it to Trump. When Trump also won the presidency, Russian state TV congratulated him and then showed a naked picture of Melania.

So much for Putin’s “fear” and “respect” for Trump.

A mere four hours after agreeing a "ceasefire against energy infrastructure" a Russia-guided bomb took out the power plant in the Ukrainian city of Slovyansk. They also attacked a hospital.
I’m sure Trump will do his best to pretend it didn’t happen and that Ukraine is somehow at fault.
 
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Also.... https://www.npr.org/2025/03/19/nx-s...ceasefire-as-it-strikes-gaza-killing-hundreds

Mediators were holding ceasefire talks with Hamas in the wee hours of the morning Tuesday when the surprise Israeli strikes began

At 2:10 a.m., Israel launched about ten minutes of strikes from naval ships and dozens of warplanes after weeks of preparations for an offensive that was kept inside closed circles in the Israeli military. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss what was happening behind the scenes.

What followed was one of the deadliest days of the Gaza war, with more than 400 people killed in nighttime airstrikes on homes, according to Gaza health officials, including five Hamas officials and women and children.

Israelis were surprised by the return to war, too. More than half of the living Israeli hostages freed under the latest ceasefire deal — 14 out of 25 living Israelis freed in the last several months — said the move endangered the lives of the 24 other hostages still held in Gaza and believed to be alive.

Hamas has not yet fired back at Israel, nor has it budged from its position.

Why did Israel break the ceasefire?

Leading Israeli defense analysts and former officials have made an admission: Israel violated the ceasefire deal that began on Jan. 19, the last full day of the Biden administration.

"There's no other way to explain it: Israel knowingly violated the cease-fire agreement with Hamas – with American approval – because it didn't want to fully meet the terms it had committed to two months ago," wrote Amos Harel, a defense affairs columnist for the Israel's Haaretz newspaper.

According to the Israel-Hamas agreement, on the 16th day of the ceasefire, the sides were supposed to enter talks regarding the permanent end of the war. Israel refused to hold those talks, as agreed, so long as Hamas remained in control in Gaza.

The new offensive in Gaza also allowed Netanyahu to distract from an unprecedented move: his announcement this week that he wishes to fire his domestic security chief from the Shin Bet agency, a move that sparked street protests, with more underway on Wednesday.

Netanyahu's move to fire him is part of a campaign to blame Israel's security services for failing to thwart the Hamas attack Oct. 7, 2023, and deflect from accusations that Netanyahu himself shoulders responsibility. It comes on the heels of a Shin Bet investigation into Netanyahu's aides over allegations they secretly provided consulting services to Qatar during the war.

"Netanyahu's true objective appears increasingly clear: a gradual slide toward an authoritarian-style regime, whose survival he will try to secure through perpetual war on multiple fronts," wrote Harel.

The renewal of war in Gaza, coupled with conflict involving the Houthis, could lead to further escalation including Iran.

The U.S. struck Houthi targets in Yemen last weekend, and U.S. fighter jets thwarted a Houthi retaliation on a U.S. warship. President Trump warned Iran, a backer of the Houthis, of "dire consequences" if Houthi attacks do not stop.

"The possibility of an Israeli or American attack on Iran is going up due to this declaration," Yadlin said.

Israel has made no secret of its interest in lobbying President Trump to support a strike against Iran's nuclear program.
 
Rubashov said:
First sensible thing said by Boris Johnson in at least 15 years. Well I suppose even a broken clock is right twice a day
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Yeah, pretty crazy world we are in when he is the voice of reason.
 
Red said:
Ukrainian civilians are being hunted by Russian drones.

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More to the point, I don't understand why the lefties want more of this. How many will be enough to maybe get behind the idea that ending the war might be for the best? To me this seems another case of Trump wanting something, and lefties demanding the opposite just to spite Trump. Sick.
 
fishonjazz said:
So zelensky accepts a cease fire with no demands of their own.
Putin rejected that proposal. trump and trumpers criticized zelensky for wanting the war to continue after the meeting in the white house with zelensky but not a peep about putin rejecting the ceasefire that ukraine agreed to. Putin instead said that he would accept a truce on attacking energy. Why did he want that specifically? Ukraine had been hitting russian oil production facilities. Putin and trump dont like when the oil gets affected. People getting killed? eh. Oil getting hit? Hold on, we have to stop this! Once again Trump is willing to hamstring the Ukrainians with his "truce". Russia is losing the war on oil and gas production. The Ukrainians have been extremely successful on attacking those sources of war revenue that Putin desperately needs. Putin gets the Ukrainians to stop those attacks, and he has time and money to rearm and secure those vulnerable sites.

Oh and Russia attacked Ukraine again literally hours after this phone call with trump.

Putin also wants ukrain to recieve no further military aid in any future ceasefire. Russia wants to be able to rearm and rebuild their weaponry stocks/supplies but dont want ukraine doing the same. That way the next invasion would have russia at a more advantageous position.

Remember when zelensky didn't wear a suit to a meeting and trump and trumpers all freaked out about the disrespect? Putin purposely made President Trump wait for an hour, publicly dismissing him while attending a conference yet not a peep about that disrespect.

So Putin's list of demands, in order to stop the war they began, includes not allowing peacekeeping troops to be based in Ukraine, no entrance into NATO, military aid stopped, and the cessation of intelligence info. from the United States, and I'm assuming, from the European Union.

Seems to me that Russia is already planning another invasion of Ukraine, and since Trump has previously stopped the transfer of military hardware and intelligence data, and isn't fond of NATO, and pre-negotiations, said Ukraine will need to cede territory to Russia, it would appear that Trump won't have a problem with anything Putin wants.

After the extreme harm the Russians have evilly inflicted on the innocent people in Ukraine, it seems like demanding that the Ukrainians give up their right to self-defense would be a nonstarter. If the Russians don't intend to go further at a time of their choosing, they would not be demanding that the Ukrainians give up their inherent right to protect themselves from further Russian aggression. For one reason or another, it seems clear that this Administration is acting in Putin's best interests, not the interests of the Free World.

The short story is that, so far Russia is being given the upper hand in practically every aspect. The Ukrainians are expected to capitulate and that will effectively be the end of the Ukraine as an independent nation.
If things follow this trajectory it will only embolden North Korea, China, and anyone else with their sights set on obtaining more territory or resources by force. Given some of the rhetoric coming out of the current government, it could set the that results in Canada ending up as the 51st state. Greenland and Panama should be on tenterhooks right now.

So, it's ok if North Korea and others continue to provide military support with troops and ammunitions for Russia but Ukraine can't have that? Then, the "economic" issues that Trump wants with Russia is a talking point for stopping the war? Sure seems like Russia has Trump on their side in these negotiations.

"The Russian side said a “key condition” for any resolution to halt the war was the end of U.S. and European support for Ukraine." Hey Putin, try this on for size: how about if you take all your military home and send the North Koreans home; stop killing Ukrainians who you invaded; give all their land back, that you invaded; and make reparations to the Ukrainians, who you invaded, then we'll talk. Until then, arms shipments and European support will continue.

Who would have imagined, 2 months ago, that America, the defender of Democracy across the world, would be having our President licking the boots of the Russian President, calling a Democratically elected President of a Democratic Nation a Dictator for fighting against an invading Communist country, telling that nation that they will have to give up parts of their country to the invader... and all while Russia HAD SIGNED an internationally recognized treaty with the Ukraine in the 90's, vowing to never invade or have hostilities towards the country, in exchange for all of their old soviet nukes... which they agreed to and delivered.

Trump has done more to destroy the credibility and reputation of our country in 2 months, than all previous presidents, combined, in the past 30 years.

Why would Putin agree to a peace deal?
He invaded Ukraine.
If he wanted peace he would withdraw.
He wants to achieve victory by manipulating trumps and the process because he can't achieve victory on the battlefield.

I heard when they ended the phone call, they played the "No, you hang up" game.
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Great post and perfect assessment. We are officially the country of dictators and, of course, Trump is working to instill a dictatorship here as well. I cannot believe people still defend this guy. What is wrong with everyone, are we really that brainwashed as a nation? The cult is real.
 
fishonjazz said:
So zelensky accepts a cease fire with no demands of their own.
Putin rejected that proposal. trump and trumpers criticized zelensky for wanting the war to continue after the meeting in the white house with zelensky but not a peep about putin rejecting the ceasefire that ukraine agreed to.
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Putin is the impediment to peace. Putin is the bad guy. Zelensky seems to be onboard with bringing the war to a close.

Do lefties now think ending the war is a good thing? Do lefties believe a ceasefire a good thing even if Trump wants one? Of that, I am not so sure.
 
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More to the point, I don't understand why the lefties want more of this. How many will be enough to maybe get behind the idea that ending the war might be for the best? To me this seems another case of Trump wanting something, and lefties demanding the opposite just to spite Trump. Sick.
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I’ve been paying much more attention to those saying Putin does not really want peace. He laid down the condition that all sharing of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine must stop during any 30 day ceasefire. He knows Zelenskyy cannot agree to that.


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www.theatlantic.com

Trump Gets a Taste of Putin’s Tactics

The Russian leader is offering few concessions in negotiations over Ukraine. How hard is Trump willing to push for the peace he promises?
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Red said:
I’ve been paying much more attention to those saying Putin does not really want peace. He laid down the condition that all sharing of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine must stop during any 30 day ceasefire. He knows Zelenskyy cannot agree to that.
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Putin is free to ask whatever he wants. It doesn't mean he is going to get it and I think even Putin knows that. It is a negotiation, and the substantive parts will not happen on a live phone call with the world parsing every word.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Putin is free to ask whatever he wants. It doesn't mean he is going to get it and I think even Putin knows that. It is a negotiation, and the substantive parts will not happen on a live phone call with the world parsing every word.
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You can negotiate how much you want with Putin, but you can't ever trust Putin. This conflict will buried for good only if Russia gets beaten or Putin dies, or gets killed. Which he'd deserve wholeheartedly.
 
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