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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Sure there will be. Guys who get to the transfer portal will make a name for themselves with those runs then transfer. Certainly I do agree there will be a lower frequency, but it will still happen.

For example, the first Butler team still definitely happens under NIL. The second team? Maybe not.
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biggest issue is that those mid-majors will have a much more difficult time building teams and their window to do something special will be so small. once a guy has a break out season, they are gone. new mexico is an excellent example of those. two years ago they had freshman JT Toppin and sophomore Donovan Dent. Toppin has a good frosh season and bolts to Texas Tech for this past season. UNM keeps Dent. Dent leads them to a first round win, but what could they have done had they kept Toppin? maybe the round of 16? Elite 8. So they get to the second weekend this year, and they still have another go-round with Dent and Toppin, and whoever else they develop during that three year period That happens all over cbb where a guy will break out, but now if they don't get it done in that break out year, the window is closed because that star player is gonzo.

The Hayward team has no shot. hayward averaged 13 and 7 on elite shooting splits his freshman season. Matt Howard another key player on that team, that same season averaged 15 and 7. odds are with the portal and NIL, they are both off to some power conference school and that run never happens.
 
RandyForRubio said:
I have an offensive stylistic comparison for Knueppel. This might be off because it’s been a while, but his offensive game kinda reminds me of early Harden with less explosion and off the dribble ability. I think he’s a sneaky good creator.
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I dont really see any Harden at all. If you want a faraway star comp, it would be Devin Booker.

I think the obvious racial comp is Gordon Hayward.
 
I saw this thrown out there somewhere and thought it was interesting:

If the Jazz got the number one pick, would you trade Flagg for Giannis? Pretend salary matching isn't a thing.
 
Someone talk to me about Tyrese Proctor. Is he a PG? Is there real buzz about him declaring this year? Does he defend?
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I saw this thrown out there somewhere and thought it was interesting:

If the Jazz got the number one pick, would you trade Flagg for Giannis? Pretend salary matching isn't a thing.
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I don't think many NBA teams would. Tells you how stupid lucky getting the #1 pick is (in the right draft). You could likely swap it for like a top 4 player without much question.

Having 5-9 years of team control on a potential all-NBA guy is just so valuable. Especially when the first 4 years are essentially the same salary for one year of Giannis.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Someone talk to me about Tyrese Proctor. Is he a PG? Is there real buzz about him declaring this year? Does he defend?
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I really liked Proctor as a Freshman, and so I'm a little biased. His first two years at Duke he played a lot more on ball with more playmaking responsibilities and he was very inconsistent and overall not efficient. This year Kon and Flagg have taken a lot of the playmaking responsibilities and so he has been playing more off ball and has really thrived in that role. He's a good defender in my opinion, not amazing, but good.

I still like him and think he can be a good NBA player, but it's looking more likely that he'll be a role player vs anything special.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think many NBA teams would. Tells you how stupid lucky getting the #1 pick is (in the right draft). You could likely swap it for like a top 4 player without much question.

Having 5-9 years of team control on a potential all-NBA guy is just so valuable. Especially when the first 4 years are essentially the same salary for one year of Giannis.
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I think it would be very tempting for a team like the Jazz who have never won a title and might be a little bit desperate to get one. There is a good chance that Flagg never becomes as good as Giannis (perrenial MVP candidate). The Jazz are also uniquely positioned with other good players (Lauri specifically) and enough expiring contracts and picks to really go out and build an interesting team around Giannis. Like, I wonder if we could put together a team that could have a 2-3 year window almost immediately.
 
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SoberasHotRod said:
I think it would be very tempting for a team like the Jazz who have never won a title and might be a little bit desperate to get one. There is a good chance that Flagg never becomes as good as Giannis (perrenial MVP candidate). The Jazz are also uniquely positioned with other good players (Lauri specifically) and enough expiring contracts and picks to really go out and build an interesting team around Giannis. Like, I wonder if we could put together a team that could have a 2-3 year window almost immediately.
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It is pretty interesting, and I guess maybe its just my risk aversion (GMs are likely even more risk averse) to saying "let's go for it now and shoot our shot" because when you miss its kinds over. If you could do it by offering the expirings of KJ, JCx2, and #1 pick you have Sexton, Giannis, Lauri, Walker the young guys and likely can use MLE on something good. I wonder if the fact that Bucks don't own their picks would cause them to pass... they are in a tough spot going forward.
 
You also only have a 2 year window so you'd almost have to have the other deals lined up first and do a few things at the same time... you won't be able to slow play it.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I saw this thrown out there somewhere and thought it was interesting:

If the Jazz got the number one pick, would you trade Flagg for Giannis? Pretend salary matching isn't a thing.
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I would not
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I really liked Proctor as a Freshman, and so I'm a little biased. His first two years at Duke he played a lot more on ball with more playmaking responsibilities and he was very inconsistent and overall not efficient. This year Kon and Flagg have taken a lot of the playmaking responsibilities and so he has been playing more off ball and has really thrived in that role. He's a good defender in my opinion, not amazing, but good.

I still like him and think he can be a good NBA player, but it's looking more likely that he'll be a role player vs anything special.
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I think having a bland ~6’ 6” “PG” is maybe a cheat for building a champion (at least if you have some serious talent at other positions). I think a jumbo combo guard comports better with modern basketball, and if the counting stats are unspectacular (but they are solid regarding defense and efficiency) maybe you can keep them around for multiple contracts without breaking the bank.

I for one am somewhat obsessed with the idea of finding a player in this mold - at least/especially if we land a blue-chipper - and it just dawned on me that THE blue chip is already playing with one.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I think it would be very tempting for a team like the Jazz who have never won a title and might be a little bit desperate to get one. There is a good chance that Flagg never becomes as good as Giannis (perrenial MVP candidate). The Jazz are also uniquely positioned with other good players (Lauri specifically) and enough expiring contracts and picks to really go out and build an interesting team around Giannis. Like, I wonder if we could put together a team that could have a 2-3 year window almost immediately.
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This post makes me consider it more.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think having a bland ~6’ 6” “PG” is maybe a cheat for building a champion (at least if you have some serious talent at other positions). I think a jumbo combo guard comports better with modern basketball, and if the counting stats are unspectacular (but they are solid regarding defense and efficiency) maybe you can keep them around for multiple contracts without breaking the bank.

I for one am somewhat obsessed with the idea of finding a player in this mold - at least/especially if we land a blue-chipper - and it just dawned on me that THE blue chip is already playing with one.
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Any examples of this type of player currently in the NBA?
 
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