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I hope he continues to just play because I have believed that he will be a key (pun intended) to getting a bigger star to play along with our draft picks for the next couple of years.
 
Chargers Jazz Angels said:
I assume you understand what plagiarism is? If you are going to quote something you need to include the article that is associated with the quote. Let me demonstrate

www.deseret.com

Keyonte George needs to find a better way to deal with his frustration

George’s body language makes him seem disinterested in what the Jazz are doing.
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I've been in academics for decades. I would not consider this plagiarism at all.

While true that it's nicer to include the exact source, the essence of plagiarism is trying to pass off someone else's ideas as your own. @homeytennis did not do this.

(This is without getting into the issue of how plagiarism standards vary according to the situation. Message-board expectations about plagiarism are not (and should not be) as stringent as academic standards.)
 
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Ainge and Hardy are just dumb and should have expected players would be extremely unhappy and unmotivated in a season where the team is throwing games.

"But they should play hard even just to assure their future in the league" yeah, they should, but they're also 21 years old or younger.
 
I backed out of following the draft entirely a few years ago. That said, I had questions regarding his shooting coming out of college that never seemed to be addressed. There was always some explanation about the role he was in, that he was taking tough shots and, essentially, “don’t worry about it.” There are legitimate times and reasons when a player’s numbers can be misleading but there has to be something tangible to point to for directing attention away from the numbers. Obviously players develop and grow, but is there anything we can appeal to as being good evidence of his shooting not being a concern that isn’t something about his form and release looking good or how crisp the splash is when it hits the net? Or have we collectively come to earth on this, which is what it feels like?
 
infection said:
I backed out of following the draft entirely a few years ago. That said, I had questions regarding his shooting coming out of college that never seemed to be addressed. There was always some explanation about the role he was in, that he was taking tough shots and, essentially, “don’t worry about it.” There are legitimate times and reasons when a player’s numbers can be misleading but there has to be something tangible to point to for directing attention away from the numbers. Obviously players develop and grow, but is there anything we can appeal to as being good evidence of his shooting not being a concern that isn’t something about his form and release looking good or how crisp the splash is when it hits the net? Or have we collectively come to earth on this, which is what it feels like?
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His jumpshot is fine, he just can't get separation and his physical tools suck which means his shooting or passing have to be elite and they're just OK instead.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
His jumpshot is fine, he just can't get separation and his physical tools suck which means his shooting or passing have to be elite and they're just OK instead.
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And the whole package eventually had to be put together in some fashion that translates into shooting percentages. I’m not too terribly interested in how smooth it looks in an open gym.
 
infection said:
And the whole package eventually had to be put together in some fashion that translates into shooting percentages. I’m not too terribly interested in how smooth it looks in an open gym.
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I mean, his shooting percentages are low because he's too small and not good enough at handling the ball to get high percentage looks.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I mean, his shooting percentages are low because he's too small and not good enough at handling the ball to get high percentage looks.
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And that’s part of the “worrying about it” angle of looking at his college efficiency.
 
idiot said:
I've been in academics for decades. I would not consider this plagiarism at all.

While true that it's nicer to include the exact source, the essence of plagiarism is trying to pass off someone else's ideas as your own. @homeytennis did not do this.

(This is without getting into the issue of how plagiarism standards vary according to the situation. Message-board expectations about plagiarism are not (and should not be) as stringent as academic standards.)
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Ya I have no issue with homeys post.
I really like chargers jazz angels but that was a weird nitpick to me
 
Locked had a video about Keyonte and said he shoots less than 30% on half of his games. Keyonte can get his shot off, but he takes too many bad shots and is a bottom 5 worse defender in the league. It will be interesting to see if he can correct his weaknesses enough to be part of the future for the Jazz.
 
idiot said:
I've been in academics for decades. I would not consider this plagiarism at all.

While true that it's nicer to include the exact source, the essence of plagiarism is trying to pass off someone else's ideas as your own. @homeytennis did not do this.

(This is without getting into the issue of how plagiarism standards vary according to the situation. Message-board expectations about plagiarism are not (and should not be) as stringent as academic standards.)
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Maybe plagiarism is the wrong. Still helpful to read the article to get context.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
His jumpshot is fine, he just can't get separation and his physical tools suck which means his shooting or passing have to be elite and they're just OK instead.
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Not really. He still has issues hitting open shots.

For instance, he's 32% from 3 on "Wide Open" attempts, which he gets 1.7 of per game. He get's 4 "open" shots (36%), and 1.8 "tight" shots (and he actually shoots 34% on those) (this is all from 3). So he doesnt really have an issue getting enough decent looks from 3, he's just completely bricking the wide open ones this year for some reason.

So no, I dont really buy the separation thing being that big of an issue. He gets enough separation and he has a great release that he even manages to shoot well when contested. He just doesnt hit enough of the easy shots he gets.

Compare it to Sexton's tracking data this year. Sexton shoots 1.7 wide open 3's, 2.3 open 3's, and 0.3 tight 3's. He shoots 50/38/19 on those respectively.

Whenever (if ever) Keynote learns the consistency aspect of his shot, he will be an extremely dangerous shooter because he's one of the players capable of hitting a shot with a guy right in his face.

And I also dont think his physical tools suck.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TR5Jr44qFw&ab_channel=CleverPepper
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Not really. He still has issues hitting open shots.

For instance, he's 32% from 3 on "Wide Open" attempts, which he gets 1.7 of per game. He get's 4 "open" shots (36%), and 1.8 "tight" shots (and he actually shoots 34% on those) (this is all from 3). So he doesnt really have an issue getting enough decent looks from 3, he's just completely bricking the wide open ones this year for some reason.

So no, I dont really buy the separation thing being that big of an issue. He gets enough separation and he has a great release that he even manages to shoot well when contested. He just doesnt hit enough of the easy shots he gets.

Compare it to Sexton's tracking data this year. Sexton shoots 1.7 wide open 3's, 2.3 open 3's, and 0.3 tight 3's. He shoots 50/38/19 on those respectively.

Whenever (if ever) Keynote learns the consistency aspect of his shot, he will be an extremely dangerous shooter because he's one of the players capable of hitting a shot with a guy right in his face.

And I also dont think his physical tools suck.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TR5Jr44qFw&ab_channel=CleverPepper
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His physical tools are fantastic. Especially at the point guard position. He is big, fast, strong, bouncy. He is confident.
There is a lot to work with. It all comes down to efficiency (like many players)

I really don't care that much about his defense. What I hope for him is to be a great, efficient bucket getter. I never expected him to be a defensive stalwart.
 
Meh, Key's a player who can get his threes off the bounce, kind of like Clarkson. That is relatively rare for someone to be able to live that way, but it is super valuable. It took Clarkson a number of years to get himself there. Key is 21. I want to see our young players be put in a stable situation where they are trying to win games before I make pronouncements on any of them. I'd have bad body language if I knew that whenever we got a chance to win a game, there would be 4th quarter shenanigans.
 
Tanktastic said:
Ain't no GM so stupid as to trade Flagg for Keyonte, let's say the #4 pick and some bad other picks.
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That’s not what I’m saying.

We’re already landing the #1 pick and getting Flagg.

I’m talking about trading Key and our other 1st round pick(s) this year to move up. How high does it get us? Top 12? Top 9? Top 7?

To be able to start next year with Collier, Flagg, and say the #8 pick in the draft would be a great ****ing future.
 
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I think he’s a 6th man type. I’m honestly not sure what Hardy plans to do with him, but that’s where I think he’ll make his biggest impact. I’m not judging any of these guys too harshly after the organization decided to start tanking in earnest at the trade deadline last season.
 
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