Trump Dictatorship and All Things Politics
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The Thriller
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This is so sick
“Home grown”
Guys, he’s talking about sending you to the gulag for opposing him. Do we seriously not see where this is headed???
View: https://youtu.be/zcnj8lJcZq4?feature=shared
“Home grown”
Guys, he’s talking about sending you to the gulag for opposing him. Do we seriously not see where this is headed???
View: https://youtu.be/zcnj8lJcZq4?feature=shared
Red
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I think we’re there…..
The Constitutional Crisis Is Here
Trump’s administration is only pretending to comply with the Supreme Court on the matter of a Maryland man it deported erroneously.
www.theatlantic.com
The Trump administration is defying a Supreme Court order to retrieve a man it marooned in a Gulag abroad, while pretending to comply with it. What it could do to him, it could do to anyone. More significantly, if the Trump administration can defy court orders with impunity, and Congress is unwilling to act, there is no reason for it to respect the constitutional rights of American citizens either. The Roberts Court will now have to decide whether to side with the Constitution or with a lawless president asserting the power to disappear people at will. This is not a power that any person, much less an American president, is meant to have.
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Was just going to come and post about this.
trumpers be like, he was just joking. It was just locker room talk
Obama and Yale faculty back Harvard as Trump cuts $2bn in federal grants
Harvard faces a funding freeze as elite universities warn of growing threats to free inquiry and civil rights
www.theguardian.com
Its about time some of these institutions started to show some spine and fight back.
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Today at the school a kindergartener was crying while telling me that her grandpa had to go to mexico and he can never come back to America.
It was heartbreaking
It was heartbreaking
Fosto
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Of course we do. And so do the "conservatives". It's what they voted for. They're fascists. The "freedom" they keep talking about is them being free to ethnically cleanse the country, enforce their religion and deranged ideology on everyone, take away the vote from women, etc. IT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
Trump WILL try to remain in office if he's alive by the end of his term. His supporters will be fully on board. Every decent American should be prepared to actively resist by all means necessary.
Al-O-Meter
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The Roberts Court is siding with the US Constitution, and so is the Trump administration.I think we’re there…..
The Constitutional Crisis Is Here
Trump’s administration is only pretending to comply with the Supreme Court on the matter of a Maryland man it deported erroneously.
The Trump administration is defying a Supreme Court order to retrieve a man it marooned in a Gulag abroad, while pretending to comply with it. What it could do to him, it could do to anyone. More significantly, if the Trump administration can defy court orders with impunity, and Congress is unwilling to act, there is no reason for it to respect the constitutional rights of American citizens either. The Roberts Court will now have to decide whether to side with the Constitution or with a lawless president asserting the power to disappear people at will. This is not a power that any person, much less an American president, is meant to have.
The weirdest aspect to this story is how Trump critics are cheering for authoritarianism, and against the rule of law, without realizing it.
The US Constitution is very clear on the separations of powers. The Judicial Branch, including the Supreme Court, has no say over foreign affairs. It is not in the court's allotted powers. Per the US Constitution, they have no voice on such matters. Trump critics want unelected judges to exercise power over Trump's handling of foreign affairs, and that is what makes Trump critics champions of authoritarianism. They want judges to be all powerful rulers who are immune from elections and can dictate anything.
The El Salvador citizen currently sitting in an El Salvador prison broke US law when he crossed the border illegally. The Executive Branch has the constitutional power to expel the criminal foreign national. Garcia's terrorist gang involvement is irrelevant, and a catch-22. The reason there was a prohibition against deporting Garcia to El Salvador was because there was a rival gang who tries to kill members of Garcia's gang. If Garcia isn't a member of the gang then he can be deported to El Salvador, and if he is a member of the gang then he's a designated terrorist who should be deported. Either way, the correct and lawful course of action is to deport the criminal foreign national. None of that is authoritarian.
It would be dangerously authoritarian for the judicial branch to order the executive branch to go overseas to El Salvador, take possession of the citizen of El Salvador, and bring him to the United States. Such an order would violate limits on jurisdiction and separation of powers which is why Robert's court didn't order that. Robert's order isn't a violation of the US Constitution, and Trump's administration doing nothing more than offering a free airline ticket back to the US if Garcia shows up at the US embassy in El Salvador to claim it also isn't a violation of the US Constitution or Robert's court order.
STOP CHEERLEADING FOR AUTHORITARIANISM!!!!
The Thriller
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Good post. Anyone else remember when Trump said the immigrants were, “poisoning the blood of our nation?” Not much of a dog whistle there. And his entire platform of MAGA, tells his followers that the current multicultural America needs to go.
The sad problem we find ourselves in is do we have enough decent Americans anymore? Last election told me no. Many Americans talked themselves into egg prices and entertainment presidenting being more important than keeping a twice impeached, totally corrupt, authoritarian loving, rapist out of office. If people couldn’t get motivated to keep that trash out of office, then our country doesn’t deserve the freedom and prosperity that democracy provides.
Which is why our economy, civil liberties, and freedom are evaporating before our eyes. The garbage leadership we’ve empowered is a manifestation of the garbage electorate. We are what we prioritize.
Fosto
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I'm genuinely not sure if there are enough decent people left. Like I've stated multiple times, I think all Trump supporters, and most of the people who voted for Trump, did so for "culture" reasons. There are MANY problems with the economy. And just as many problems with every aspect and system in this country. But most of those critiques come from the "left" (which is not really a left in any way, shape, or form. It just looks that way compared to the utter lunacy of the right). Liberals are the ones who are critical of things like wealth inequality, wage stagnation, work conditions, money's influence on politics, and so on. None of these things are part of the platforms of conservative politicians.
Conservatives might complain about egg or gas prices, but its a facade. It's their attempt at looking like they're reasonable people who care about reasonable things that everyone can relate to. Just look how how little they care about egg prices now. They never cared. What they care about is a government that enforces a social hierarchy where they are securely on top. No more black actors leading popular franchises. No more open displays of pride flags. No more talk of gender identity. No more representation of anything outside of the proper white, Christian, straight man, and his subordinate female partner.
My hope is that some were simply uninformed and just influenced by others around them, and that those people will come to their senses seeing the disaster that is unfolding. After all, Trump's first term wasn't THAT different from the American neoliberal norm. This time around, it is. And I hope those who have become apathetic, due to the weight of all the problems with America, get jerked out of their apathy. Then we'll have more than enough.
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Flippy-flippy-spinny-flippy-and-spready to the gods-and landed it!
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A for effort.
Sardines
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Love Aussie Man!
Al-O-Meter
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Most of the time I feel like Captain Obvious.
The original lower court judge created a Constitutional crisis with her order to produce the criminal alien who had been deported. If Roberts had believed judges had the power to do such things, he wouldn't have stayed the order. The Supreme Court did stay the order and replaced it with a vague ruling to facilitate a return while making clear the courts, in no uncertain terms, did not have the authority to do what the lower court judge had ordered. Lefty yahoos are celebrating the slap down delivered by the Supreme Court without seeming to realize it was no such thing. There is no order to bring the criminal alien back, no time table, no order of anything beyond requesting a thing be facilitated with due deference to the Executive Branch's clear Constitutional authority in this domain.
The guy who was deported was a foreign national who was here illegally and who had plenty of due process before being deported by the duly elected and confirmed office holders exercising laws enacted by the people's representatives. The one way overstepping limits on granted authority was the lower court judge. If reading stories about how Trump is the bad guy makes you happy, then enjoy the media. Plenty will tell you that. Don't concern yourself with the reality of the El Salvadoran staying in El Salvador in the custody of the El Salvador government.
The Thriller
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Since when does being an undocumented immigrant warrant being deported to a gulag in a country you’ve never been to? How long is their gulag term for? Who decided that because they never received due process? Why can’t they just be deported to their country of origin, why to a gulag in El Salvador? How to they get back to their native country? How do they apply for a visa or green card in America?
Oh and wasn’t this whole emergency action thingie due to Trump calling these guys terrorists? You know Terra Agus or MS13 or whatever it is the right is scared of right now? So if these guys aren’t terrorists and they’re merely undocumented immigrants, why are they being deported to El Salvador? Why is this emergency order in effect for undocumented immigrants?
Oh and wasn’t this whole emergency action thingie due to Trump calling these guys terrorists? You know Terra Agus or MS13 or whatever it is the right is scared of right now? So if these guys aren’t terrorists and they’re merely undocumented immigrants, why are they being deported to El Salvador? Why is this emergency order in effect for undocumented immigrants?
Al-O-Meter
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There is this thing called Google that you can type your questions into and get answers.
Red
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Wow, you went all out to support the unsupportable. Sorry, but we are most certainly in a constitutional crisis. Not being a legal maven, I have no problem listening to people like Tribe and Luttig. Not Judge Red or Judge AI-O-Meter.
‘A full-frontal assault’: Judge Luttig on the attacks on the rule of law in Trump’s second term
Former Federal Judge Michael Luttig joins Nicolle Wallace on Deadline White House to discuss Donald Trump’s assault on the rule of law and him using the justice department and his own executive power to go after his political enemies, businesses and policies that he wants to punish and target.
www.msnbc.com
The Supreme Court said the action was illegal…
View: https://x.com/TigerTownDream/status/1912329817472610504
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Red
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And BTW, once more we see, in this Trump action, and the administration’s response to the “mistake”, the very roots of the infamous TDS that Trump fans think is endemic among “radical left lunatics”(definition: anyone who disagrees with Trump). If we care to understand those roots. MAGA certainly has no clue where the roots of TDS lie. Those roots being the understanding that if one was raised with the belief that we Americans were a good and decent people. TDS is nothing more nor less than feeling the death of the higher angels of our nature, and the elevation of our darker angels, our mean and rotten angels, so that our president has no problem sending innocents to perhaps the worst prison in the Americas. Yeah, that will trigger the TDS I’m talking about. TDS is simply put, the sorrow, and yes, the anger, that results when one realizes the world will no longer regard us as a good and decent people, and neither can we, and our leaders seem determined to prove it.
The Trump supporters in this group need to understand that. What they love to laugh at and dismiss as Trump Derangement Syndrome is nothing less than acute alarm and dismay at seeing our darker angels elevated as our new face to the world! It has nothing whatsoever to do with anti-Trumpers are all losing their minds, radical left lunatics, supporters of a deep state, etc. Our president is our face to the world. It’s always been that way. And this one, not only wants to divide us, wants to elevate meanness, wants to support anti-democratic dictators, he wants us to join an axis of evil, for heaven’s sake.
As Judge Tribe said about this decision: “This is not who we are!!” And that realization is the root cause of TDS. And I will say, if an American citizen doesn’t feel it, as those of us who do feel that tragic loss, and want it back so badly, if one does not feel it, than honestly, what kind of American citizen is such a citizen? One who’s fine with our darker angels being our face to the world? This is not who we are.