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SoberasHotRod said:
I'm curious what people think about the following: Player Type vs Player Grade when setting up a big board.

I think there are some player types that I value and frankly the NBA values more than others and how do you factor that in when the best player grades are for the least valuable player types?

For example, I don't have any question that Tre Johnson and Derik Queen should have a higher grade as a prospect than Kas. They were both more productive and more consistent. They both have elite qualities about them. However, I personally value the type of player that I project Kas to be vs what I project from them. So potentially they are more likely to hit within their player types, but Kas, who might be less likely to hit, if he does would be more valuable. Does that make sense?

I think it could be argued that we are often wrong when assigning a player type, but I would also argue we are often wrong when we assign a player grade.

Thoughts?
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I am a sucker for big athletic scoring wings. It's why I liked whitmore so much.

I guess of the guys I know anything about Ace would probably fit that profile best?

Ant is the best current NBA example of the type of player I like best

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fishonjazz said:
I am a sucker for big athletic scoring wings. It's why I liked whitmore so much.

I guess of the guys I know anything about Ace would probably fit that profile best?

Ant is the best current NBA example of the type of player I like best

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I think Dylan Harper is a guy you’d really like. He’s a PG but he’s 6’6 (same height as Ant) and can do a ton of stuff offensively. Not as athletic but has better footwork than Ant.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I think Dylan Harper is a guy you’d really like. He’s a PG but he’s 6’6 (same height as Ant) and can do a ton of stuff offensively. Not as athletic but has better footwork than Ant.
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definitely more refined, more skilled and has a more mature game than Ant coming out of college. but yeah, definitely fits that great size for his position mold fish is talking about.
 
My enthusiasm for drafting Ace would be come down to his willingness to change. He's kind of like the Deandre Ayton of wing scorers. Everything he does is tilted towards finding his mid range jumper. Ayton could decide to be an all star by playing in a more optimal way, but time and time again he has shown no interest in being a better player and prefers to do things his own way instead. If Ace is moldable, he's a great prospect.

I'm still most interested in looking at the decision at 5 as this is the most likely draft position. Given Ainge's draft history, I'd be pretty certain that he'd take the remaining blue chip (VJ, Ace, Tre), but for me I'm undecided on how to rank Tre/Kas/Fears/Kon. Tre is the default pick and probably deserves to be, but I think you can make arguments for any of those guys over him.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I don’t know how often this needs to be clarified (probably for all of time; thanks, NBA), but that is a without shoes measurement and for almost all of NBA history, they used in-shoes measurements AND rounded up.

Ant is the same size as Michael Jordan.
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The tendency that really irks me is when someone uses without-shoes measurements when they don't like a guy, and with-shoes measurements when they like someone else.

Donovan started out 6-3 (which would be the standard throughout NBA history), then as people tired of him (and to be fair, as the NBA started emphasizing without-shoes measurements more), he became 6-1 and the same as Conley.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I don’t know how often this needs to be clarified (probably for all of time; thanks, NBA), but that is a without shoes measurement and for almost all of NBA history, they used in-shoes measurements AND rounded up.

Ant is the same size as Michael Jordan.
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Dwayne Wade is 6’ 5” in shoes FWIW.
 
A player's height is whatever makes your argument better, that is the only official height. If you are making the point that a player is tall, you compare his height in shoes against players without shoes. If you're making the point that a player is small, compare his without shoes height against heights in shoes. The same goes for rounding. Take an inch, add an inch. Whatever is necessary to make your argument, that is the official measurement.
 
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idiot said:
Donovan started out 6-3 (which would be the standard throughout NBA history), then as people tired of him (and to be fair, as the NBA started emphasizing without-shoes measurements more), he became 6-1 and the same as Conley.
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Furthermore, Conley isn’t even 6’ without shoes, but he gets to be listed as 6’ 1”.

I’m quite certain Hakeem was 6’ 9” without shoes but is listed at 7”.

Wilt was genuinely massive and Bill Russell was 6’ 9”. We know how that went.

Maybe a better way to gauge this is how a player plays and their effectiveness at it.
fishonjazz said:
Ant was given as an example of a big wing.
Not tall
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There is also the question of length and strength that people usually leave out. Ant is strong as hell and uses it.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
He most definitely is not. Try 6'3''.
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I know you’re doing your schtick or whatever but we have facts here. 6’ 3.75” without shoes: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2003-04

The soles on my running shoes are at least an inch thick (I literally just measured).

It remains to be seen what VJ’s actual measurements are. I’m sure you’ll be example 1A as to people that use whichever measurements best fit your narrative. He looks ~6’ 2” without shoes/maybe 6’ 4” with shoes to me and doesn’t look particularly long.

Update: found his Hoop Summit measurements. The supposed 6’ 3” without shoes looks generous to me, and 6’ 5” in shoes is either generous or he’s playing in heels. 6’ 5” wingspan is underwhelming, and relying on athleticism to impact the game is the least sustainable path to success.
 
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