I think Traore might be 6'3" w/o shoes. Maybe he's grown in the past year.
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I think Traore might be 6'3" w/o shoes. Maybe he's grown in the past year.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I’m pretty out on him. He feels really risky to me.
Tre Johnson. My gut tells me the nba is underestimating him
That's tall for a point guard, what are you saying? He's taller than a third of the NBA All Stars this year.
I think there's some recency bias that may be causing some overcorrection. If it was level of competition thing like Demin it would cause me more concern, but his play against top 50 opponents is in line with his overall numbers. The main guys I'm comparing him to are Tre and Fears. Out of those guys, I believe he's the best defender (still not great), the best passer, and he is the most efficient scorer.
I came away feeling the exact opposite. His off the ball movement is elite for his age and will run defenders ragged. Add in his ability to create off the dribble and you have a very rare combo.
That’s 6’ 5” and is plus size for position. Easily.
No he’s 6’3, which is the same as Mitchell who is actually 6’1, which is also the height of Mike Conley except that Mike is really only 6 foot barefoot, similar to Chris Paul who obviously isn’t really 6 foot. So Traore is basically 5’11. Tiny.
Did you watch the full video? He's a limited offensive player (can only shoot/can't create advantages/limited in passing/playmaking) and AT BEST a passable defender (meaning he's likely going to be worse than that). That doesn't sound that exciting to me.
Like I said, it's nothing new. Anybody who watched him this year would come away with the same conclusions, but just putting it all together in one video from someone who I really trust as an evaluator was a little deflating for a player I think has a decent chance of being on the Jazz next year.
His shot making is incredible and the offensive load he took on in the conference he played in was incredible, he also has a great NBA body and I think for all of that he deserves to be in discussions at 3. And like I've said, if he the Jazz take him I'll hope that with experience he can improve on the things that he struggled with this year.
I think for me it's really just the defense that I'm really struggling with Tre. I witnessed a few of the games where he was Jimmer level bad at defense. It really turned me off. Now I also saw a game (mentioned it in this thread somewhere) where he was actually pretty good. It was only one game, but if we draft him, I'll hold on to the hope he can play like that.
Tre and Fears are on different levels as scorers than Kas, so it probably evens out. I probably overrate Kas because I like his player type way more than the others. As an amateur draft analysis I'm fine with overrating the player types I like though.
I would probably say that Tre is in a different tier as a prospect than Kas/Fears, but because I like Kas's player type way more, I put him in the same tier and I'm still struggling who I like better. Fears is probably in the same tier as Kas, but again, because I like Kas's player type I will always have him above Fears.
To each their own though. I'm ok if I end up being wrong about this stuff.
seattlejazzfan
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here's the problem with that. it doesn't take much thinking to see flaws with any prospect in the draft - perhaps with the exception of Flagg. people just tend to focus more on the flaws of players they don't like vs those they do like. tale as old as time.
that's exactly why we should be careful overthinking a freshman who dropped 20 ppg on good efficiency in the toughest league in cbb. especially when he's being discussed in that 4-6 range. if he were being talked about in that 2/3 range, that might be another story. iow, if they all have major flaws, i'm okay just being happy getting arguably the best shooter/scorer in the draft at #5.
Just like not all strengths are created equal, not all weaknesses are created equal. If people have more tolerances for certain weaknesses vs other, I don't have a problem with that.
Also, the nuances of the draft are what make it fun to discuss.
seattlejazzfan
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agree 100% with everything you said there.
My biggest contention is that I think Tre is a good passer. I think he averaged like 3.5 assist per game in his last 15 or something like that. Texas's offense was just so iso/my turn your turn heavy he couldnt always show it.
I guess Tre's weaknesses dont worry me too much.
He has the size to at least be average on defense as a guy you hide on bad players.
Despite not being great at getting to the rim/finishing, he has a respectable FTR. I also think the Texas offense just wasnt conducive to him getting in the paint at a high rate w/ good looks.
He has the size to at least be average on defense as a guy you hide on bad players.
Despite not being great at getting to the rim/finishing, he has a respectable FTR. I also think the Texas offense just wasnt conducive to him getting in the paint at a high rate w/ good looks.
Wow, the second round this year could be epically bad.
I have a preference for Kas’s archetype as well. Generally, i’d just say I’m more skeptical of Tre’s archetype. He’s a great shooter/scorer, but I don’t like much else when it comes to scoring, I also prefer the guys who get the efficient shots more than the guys who make a lot of inefficient shots. Getting to the rim and free throw line is huge for me because it’s an extremely tough living in the NBA if you can’t get to them.
I like the way Fears and Kas play a lot. I give the edge to Kas because his shot is much more believable and I think he provides more energy on defense and is a better little things guy.
I think that’s the flaw in “don’t overthink it”. It is true that you can find flaws in any player. But there isn’t a set of strengths and weaknesses that qualify as overthinking it and ones that do not. Everyone has their preferences and player types they are drawn to and that’s fine. I think the discussion should be centered around why certain strengths and weaknesses are more important instead of dismissing other thought patterns as “overthinking it”.