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3/2/12: Utah Jazz vs Miami Heat

catratcho said:
I've come to realize I have a Kanter love along the same lines of kicky's affair with Fesenko. I want to father his children.
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This x 31493.

I also love the embrace by Earl after Kanter hits the and-one. Him and Tinsley are probably my two favourite players, outside of our 4 young in's.

EDIT: Haha, just noticed the avatar :)
 
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I can't wait for when these young guys start to put it together. Kanter and Favors combined down low are going to be great. Burks will be an All-Star. If Hayward every figures it out mentally.....
 
dalamon said:
Did you watch the ****ing game?

Favors was hands down our best defender last night. Completely shut down the pick and roll on consecutive possessions. Don't believe me?? Lets look at some quotes from Jazz journalists who clearly know a lot more than you do:

Its hard for Favors to score when he gets legitimately zero looks. He's being asked to go in there and defend. And boy, is he defending. I could not ask more from our two big men, especially after a game like last night. This is a classic case of a fan basing a players game off of looking at the box score.
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Favors is ranked 18th in the league in pick-and-roll offensive according to Synergy (field goals = 58.3%). When he's in the game they should do nothing but run high pick-and-roll over and over either with Burks or Hayward. We shouldn't try to make him Al Jefferson. He's more like Amare. He is an excellent all-round defender, but his original man scores at an alarming rate according to Synergy. This is due to either poor defensive rotation by his teammates, his over aggression to help, or a combo of both of them.
 
Didn't read the whole thread..

Just want to say that last 2 games 2nd unit get more minutes, so all around ball movement and energy is better.

Just hope Ty understand this and will continue this way.
 
JJAS said:
Favors is ranked 18th in the league in pick-and-roll offensive according to Synergy (field goals = 58.3%). When he's in the game they should do nothing but run high pick-and-roll over and over either with Burks or Hayward. We shouldn't try to make him Al Jefferson. He's more like Amare. He is an excellent all-round defender, but his original man scores at an alarming rate according to Synergy. This is due to either poor defensive rotation by his teammates, his over aggression to help, or a combo of both of them.
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Amare has been a very poor defender his whole career. Favors is already better than he ever was on defense, and a lot bigger when he stretches out.
 
Amare's defense was freakin amazing his rookie season. He played great against Duncun, and thereby helped his team to outplay the eventual champs in the playoffs, except they got screwed by the refs.

I actually haven't watched him much since, but I suspect you might be underrating him.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
If Hayward every figures it out mentally.....
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I hear ya, another complete up&down game by Hayward. 2 completely unforced TO's where he literally passed the ball directly to the Heat. He followed one TO up in the 3rd-qtr with a horrible pass trying to hit Millsap flashing in the lane that fortunately ended up getting deflected by a Heat player straight to Al Jefferson for a dunk. Missed two layups and a few open jumpers but did hit the big 3, had the putback where he got fouled, the great block in transition (very AK47ish), a nice assist to Big Al off a side pick&roll, and overall was pretty aggressive driving to the rim.

If this kid can just start making open jumpers like he did to close out the 2010-11 season he'll be so much more effective. You'd like a player's progression to be linear or even exponential, but Hayward's peaks and valley's this season look more like a sine wave.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Amare has been a very poor defender his whole career. Favors is already better than he ever was on defense, and a lot bigger when he stretches out.
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I was referring more to his offense and Amare's use of the pick-and-role with great athleticism (Amare's ranked 15th in P&R offense, 3 ahead of Favors). Favors is indeed longer than Amare and has much better center potential than Amare because of his superior length (as per the combine measurements). Favors is elite (18th league-wide) for percentage on the pick-and-roll because when he has a head of steam, he is very difficult to stop. Favors' defensive effort is light years ahead of Amare, and his rebounding is a bit better as well. Amare's probably a better shooter.
 
Being ranked 18th is elite? It's pretty good. To be elite in anything I'm thinking at least top 5.
 
30 teams x 12 players/team = 360 players
if elite = top 5%, then 18th is elite
if elite = top 10%, then 36th is elite.
 
northeast said:
I know, I'm saying that 18th means he's better than 19 of 20 guys. Some might consider that elite.
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That same logic tells us that Raja Bell is an elite 3 point shooter. Which he is a capable 3 point shooter I would never compare him to elites.

Al Jefferson is an elite shot blocker and rebounder. Neither of these are true.
 
Dwill4mvp said:
That same logic tells us that Raja Bell is an elite 3 point shooter. Which he is a capable 3 point shooter I would never compare him to elites.

Al Jefferson is an elite shot blocker and rebounder. Neither of these are true.
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ummm, no, I think you are making stuff up. Are you sure you don't have your facts upside down? Bell is in the top 5% of 3 point %?
 
Bell ranks 33rd amongst all players, 14th amongst 112 "qualified" players (nba.com) at .434, which is pretty damn good...
If he finishes the season at 18th out of all players, i would call that shooting at an elite level for this year.\

The guy currently at 18 is Ray Allen.
 
I would call Raja Bell an elite 3pt shooter. The guy is above 40% CAREER 3pt shooting. Not many guys can say that for as long as he has been in the league and how consistently he has been a good shooter.

Obviously he isn't a guy who isn't shooting it in peoples faces like Ray Allen, but as far as spot-up 3pt shooter go.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I would call Raja Bell an elite 3pt shooter. The guy is above 40% CAREER 3pt shooting. Not many guys can say that for as long as he has been in the league and how consistently he has been a good shooter.

Obviously he isn't a guy who isn't shooting it in peoples faces like Ray Allen, but as far as spot-up 3pt shooter go.
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I think to be an elite 3 point shooter you have to be able to put on down with a hand in your face. I think you have to make the other team think about you once in a while.

Bell gets what the defense gives him - nothing more.

He's a good 3point shooter - he's also a smart 3point shootert. Elite? No ****ing way.
 
Someone should take Favors out to get laid or something.

He has to be the most sullen looking kid I've ever seen - I can't help but think he'd progress a little better if he tried to have a little fun out there every once in a while.
 
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