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Jazz will not trade Big Al this season.

Grandpa Jazz

Grandpa Jazz

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I cannot see any way possible that the Jazz would trade Al Jefferson during this season. While i know that many (including me) would like to see someone without Al's drawbacks roaming
the paint (Kanter perhaps) the Jazz would be going out on a limb to trade Al leaving just Kanter and Favors as playing the center position. It might work out o.k. ( scoring would fall off and we can't
afford that). There is nothing in Jazz history that makes me think that this conservative bunch of execs are going to stick out their neck in this situation. If someone has to go, to upgrade this team
it must be Millsap or (horrors) some of our youth. What do you think about our situation? I ask this question due to multiple posters believing he is our most valuable and tradeable asset (they are right).
As critical as our need for shooters we need someone to fill the gap until Kanter (most likely) is ready. Or do we just live with Big Al until/If that happens.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
I cannot see any way possible that the Jazz would trade Al Jefferson during this season. While i know that many (including me) would like to see someone without Al's drawbacks roaming
the paint (Kanter perhaps) the Jazz would be going out on a limb to trade Al leaving just Kanter and Favors as playing the center position. It might work out o.k. ( scoring would fall off and we can't
afford that). There is nothing in Jazz history that makes me think that this conservative bunch of execs are going to stick out their neck in this situation. If someone has to go, to upgrade this team
it must be Millsap or (horrors) some of our youth. What do you think about our situation? I ask this question due to multiple posters believing he is our most valuable and tradeable asset (they are right).
As critical as our need for shooters we need someone to fill the gap until Kanter (most likely) is ready. Or do we just live with Big Al until/If that happens.
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Big Al`s scoring would drop off, not necessarily the Jazz`s. With improved ball movement, we would likely still score just as much, if not more.

Losing Millsap over Jefferson would not be an upgrade for the team. Jefferson must go. Plus Sap is more entertaining to watch play basketball than Slow Al.
 
I agree with Grandpa's premise- the Jazz are not going to take the risk and move Jefferson while it looks like we have a chance at the playoffs.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
I cannot see any way possible that the Jazz would trade Al Jefferson during this season. While i know that many (including me) would like to see someone without Al's drawbacks roaming
the paint (Kanter perhaps) the Jazz would be going out on a limb to trade Al leaving just Kanter and Favors as playing the center position. It might work out o.k. ( scoring would fall off and we can't
afford that). There is nothing in Jazz history that makes me think that this conservative bunch of execs are going to stick out their neck in this situation. If someone has to go, to upgrade this team
it must be Millsap or (horrors) some of our youth. What do you think about our situation? I ask this question due to multiple posters believing he is our most valuable and tradeable asset (they are right).
As critical as our need for shooters we need someone to fill the gap until Kanter (most likely) is ready. Or do we just live with Big Al until/If that happens.
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As little sense as it makes to trade Jefferson or Millsap it makes even less sense to trade away the youth. I like the team and I hope the Jazz continue to ride it out but I really want to see the young guys get game time, and I think they will because the Jazz aren't making the playoffs.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
I cannot see any way possible that the Jazz would trade Al Jefferson during this season. While i know that many (including me) would like to see someone without Al's drawbacks roaming
the paint (Kanter perhaps) the Jazz would be going out on a limb to trade Al leaving just Kanter and Favors as playing the center position. It might work out o.k. ( scoring would fall off and we can't
afford that). There is nothing in Jazz history that makes me think that this conservative bunch of execs are going to stick out their neck in this situation. If someone has to go, to upgrade this team
it must be Millsap or (horrors) some of our youth. What do you think about our situation? I ask this question due to multiple posters believing he is our most valuable and tradeable asset (they are right).
As critical as our need for shooters we need someone to fill the gap until Kanter (most likely) is ready. Or do we just live with Big Al until/If that happens.
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As Locke reminded fans last night on Vokle (question #23)... [video]https://api.vokle.com/events/52912-locked-on-jazz/embed_content?ts=2243725

Starting 5 if we hadn't traded for Jefferson: DWill - Raja - CJ/AK - Millsap - FES!!!
Al's contract is large but even w/ his own health issues, this trade (KoKo, '10 #23, & future #1) was worth the risk of keeping this team young, competitive, & possibly keeping DWill.

BTW, the only other FAs that summer worth signing to replace Boozer was Drew Gooden (5/32M) or Channing Frye (5/30M). Yes, they were cheaper but longer contracts.

So...
1) I actually think Al has become a better mentor (more vocal & offensive play) to Favors/Kanter than Paul (quiet & by example, hard work).
2) Trading for Jefferson was a risk but NOT making a move like this wouldve guaranteed DWill's departure (who had already complained about the lack of direction/aggression of the franchise).
3) By keeping stealth, KOC proved to be ballsy w/ trading away his franchise player (whom he drafted) & not having DWill dictate where he wanted to go (probably DAL or LAs).
 
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disingenuous Bodhi! We got back an established PG in that deal to replace Williams and the circumstances are totally different. They had every reason to believe their fans were not going to
riot given the circumstances. Different day, different situation.
 
Big Al`s scoring would drop off, not necessarily the Jazz`s.
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mtnbayou- You seem to be talking about sitting Al more and not trading him. In a trade situation Yes other players scoring may improve a few points each per game, however Al is a good percentage shooter and our offense would likely
drop a few pts per game. Something we really can't get away with IMHO.
I also am not in favor of trading Millsap instead of Jefferson, just saying he is the only option left with any great value. A trade involves giving something up to get something.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
I cannot see any way possible that the Jazz would trade Al Jefferson during this season....There is nothing in Jazz history that makes me think that this conservative bunch of execs are going to stick out their neck in this situation.
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Umm, let's see. Wasn't it just a year ago "the conservative bunch of execs" stuck out their necks and made one of the biggest trades in the NBA?

The reason the Jazz won't trade Big Al is because there simply isn't a market for him. He's a very good offensive center, but isn't seen as a franchise player. Also, while several teams might want to have him, KOC is NOT going to take bad contracts in return. It's also likely that any deals KOC has proposed include a demand to throw in one of our lottery picks or a youngster (like Harris PLUS Kanter, or Al PLUS Hayward).

More likely is dealing Al when his contract is expiring. Or waiting until teams know exactly what we have (or don't have) to offer in terms of draft picks. There's still a good chance we end up with ZERO picks.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
disingenuous Bodhi! We got back an established PG in that deal to replace Williams and the circumstances are totally different. They had every reason to believe their fans were not going to
riot given the circumstances. Different day, different situation.
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Umm, circumstances notwithstanding, all I highlighted was the fact you said they were too conservative to pull off a big move. That's been refuted.
 
Yeah, Jefferson will likely have more value in the off season than now. Might be worth more to let him expire and see what happens in 2013 off season than trade him for a larger contract.
 
If I were KOC, I'd try and package Al and Millsap together to go for an elite big - that big being Pau. First off, I still think Gasol is the 2nd best big guy in the game, and second this would allow for a 3-headed monster (probably a year away), at the PF/C position with Gasol/Kanter/Favors, instead of a logjam where the young guys aren't getting minutes.
 
Okay Bodhi! They do have the nuts to trade an all-star quality player while convinced they will lose him for nothing. You are right, i am wrong, okay? My premise still stands, they will not trade Big Al this year IMO (screw the humble crap)
because the risk to the team (and their jobs) is too great, and they feel they are still in the playoff hunt as qman suggested. Now what can you find to nit pick at? Sheesh, just a small prediction based on my opinion. Am i not allowed that?
Just want to lessen the angst around here if (as i suspect) no trade is forthcoming this season. Circumstances are everything!
 
If I were KOC, I'd try and package Al and Millsap together to go for an elite big - that big being Pau. First off, I still think Gasol is the 2nd best big guy in the game, and second this would allow for a 3-headed monster (probably a year away), at the PF/C position with Gasol/Kanter/Favors, instead of a logjam where the young guys aren't getting minutes.
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I like it. Would want a long term deal (4-5 yrs) with our new big though. No rent-a-center.
 
I hope they don't trade Al until Favors and Kanter can offensively do what Milsap and Jefferson do.

It's bad development otherwise. I just get mad at Ty when Al gets 35+ minuts a game and is clearly a defensive liability on the floor.
I think you can keep Al and Sap but still get Favors and Kanter at least 20 minutes a game....that doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
Hell, I'd love some competition between the big men like Ty is doing with the wings. Just play whoever comes out to play...that's the best development for a rookie IMO.
 
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