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franklin

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Damn near .500 with _________________


I'll start.

No offseason, Rockie Mountain Review, no training camp.
Two rookie projects and two sophomores who did little their rookie year and he wasn't allowed to work with them in the offseason.
No backcourt.
Not a single All-Star.
No starting point guard.
CJ Miles.
No John Wall, Steph Curry, Deron Williams, Kyrie Irving, or loaded pieces teams like Golden State and Sacramento.
No 3 point shooting whatsoever--point two ninety nine.
Raja is the only player over 34% with a meaningful amount of 3 point attempts.
Minnesota is only 2 games better with so much more talent.



But Tyrone Corbin sucks and is unprepared to coach, right chode monkeys?
 
I have to admit that I was never crazy about Ty being given the reins. But I completely agree that the second guessing on this board about Ty, given the circumstances, make much of the criticism border on idiotic. Jazz fans aren't used to the dynamics of building a young team that is a .500 team at best. Most of what is going on this season is not only normal but expected. Chill folks.
 
franklin said:
Damn near .500 with _________________


I'll start.

No offseason, Rockie Mountain Review, no training camp.
Two rookie projects and two sophomores who did little their rookie year and he wasn't allowed to work with them in the offseason.
No backcourt.
Not a single All-Star.
No starting point guard.
CJ Miles.
No John Wall, Steph Curry, Deron Williams, Kyrie Irving, or loaded pieces teams like Golden State and Sacramento.
No 3 point shooting whatsoever--point two ninety nine.
Raja is the only player over 34% with a meaningful amount of 3 point attempts.
Minnesota is only 2 games better with so much more talent.



But Tyrone Corbin sucks and is unprepared to coach, right chode monkeys?
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Come on friend, lets not negate our frontloaded schedule. Lets see where we sit at the end of the season. If we are in the hunt at the end some of your points will matter.
 
Verlin said:
Come on friend, lets not negate our frontloaded schedule. Lets see where we sit at the end of the season. If we are in the hunt at the end some of your points will matter.
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The front loaded schedule has nothing to do with the facts that Franklin did a great job of summarizing.
 
franklin said:
Damn near .500 with _________________


I'll start.

No offseason, Rockie Mountain Review, no training camp.
Two rookie projects and two sophomores who did little their rookie year and he wasn't allowed to work with them in the offseason.
No backcourt.
Not a single All-Star.
No starting point guard.
CJ Miles.
No John Wall, Steph Curry, Deron Williams, Kyrie Irving, or loaded pieces teams like Golden State and Sacramento.
No 3 point shooting whatsoever--point two ninety nine.
Raja is the only player over 34% with a meaningful amount of 3 point attempts.
Minnesota is only 2 games better with so much more talent.



But Tyrone Corbin sucks and is unprepared to coach, right chode monkeys?
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The correct answer is:

The future on the bench.

We'll see what happens moving forward, but if Enes continues to be a bench warmer and Burks and Favors aren't given more and better opportunities to grow into offensive roles, this season will be a waste.
 
The love for Franklin is plentiful. I add to that.

Corbin has been too conservative. He gets to 16 and doesn't have the guts to "hit". Should I be glad that he's gonna walk away with almost the same amount of money that he came with?

At the beginning of the year Corbin talked about how we'd see many different starting lineups. Barring injury-induced changes, what kind of experimentation have we seen this year? How many times has he tried to exploit matchup problems by playing Millsap a few minutes at SF? By playing Burks at the 1 and letting Hayward initiate the offense at the 2?
 
Ty Corbin is, and always will be the Milkman. He was the Matt Harping player on the Jazz in the early 90's
 
Until 2 games ago, I was on the Ty train, but it seems as though he's coaching scared. Reactive at the wrong times, never proactive. It's frustrating. Now, I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. KOC and the Miller family may be directing Ty to play the veterans to up their value and make a push for the playoffs, and the young guys may be dogging it in practice, but it's not fun watching the Jazz right now, and it's hard to see how the current coaching philosophy is going to help the Jazz in the longrun.
 
franklin said:
Steph Curry, Deron Williams, Kyrie Irving, or loaded pieces teams like Golden State and Sacramento.
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It's hard to know if we have any pieces like this, with all of our young players on such a short leash. I don't blame Ty Corbin for the aspects of this season he can't control, but I do blame him for coaching like he is scared for his job, rather than coaching with the intention of gaining experience for the future (both for himself and for the young players).
 
Agreed. Give him till the end of next year. No need in rushing coaches off just because they can't getting a winning record in their first year.
 
I'll add this:
If we see an Al Jefferson trade, then my personal mending with this team will begin.
If not, then I'm afraid I don't have too much interest in watching the Jazz for the remainder of the season. Why do I need to see Al, Devin, Howard, and CJ audition for other teams? Why should I sit through a game to see Favors, Kanter, and Burks combine for 30 minutes?

trade Al, commit to defense, and build some ****ing chemistry by moving the ball around. That's all.
 
Perspective is something that is seriously lacking with the common fan. That said, I think Ty has done a very nice job, all things considered. I have some qualms - particularly his riding Al and Millsap so hard and his refusal to put the 3rd best wing (at worst) in the rotation regardless of his performance or regardless of how terrible Bell or Miles can be - but the Jazz could do far worse.

To echo GVC, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes or what else motivates the guy besides, seemingly, 'MUST WIN RIGHT NOW AT ALL COSTS MUST ENSURE JOB SECURITY.'
 
Corbin has done an admirable job of keeping the team competitive, but overall mediocre. The problem with what has happened this year is that there have been no chances taken to stray from that mediocrity, either for good or bad. I'm not one to blame this all on Corbin, but as a fan, if I know we'll be a slightly below average, just miss the playoffs team, then show me the future so I can be excited. Right now it's hard to get excited because I know what Paul and Al bring, and it's not enough.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Agreed. Give him till the end of next year. No need in rushing coaches off just because they can't getting a winning record in their first year.
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The record is not the problem. The players obtaining the record is the problem. If Corbin had this record with Favors, Kanter, Hayward and Burks all averaging over 25 mins per game, he is a freaking genius. The problem is he is playing players that are either at their ceiling or on the downhill of their career. Jefferson, Millsap, Harris, Howard, Miles aren't getting better. They are what they are, and they are not the future, and they are not winning. We know that that core of players will be an 8th seed at best.

The real question is, What is Greg Miller's goal? If it is squeak into the playoffs every year, then all this makes perfect sense. If it is build a team to compete for a title, then this is all insane.
 
GVC said:
Until 2 games ago, I was on the Ty train, but it seems as though he's coaching scared. Reactive at the wrong times, never proactive. It's frustrating. Now, I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. KOC and the Miller family may be directing Ty to play the veterans to up their value and make a push for the playoffs, and the young guys may be dogging it in practice, but it's not fun watching the Jazz right now, and it's hard to see how the current coaching philosophy is going to help the Jazz in the longrun.
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Agreed. Ty has never seemed to have any vision of the future or any strategy to get there. When first hired he had no clue about who to hire as assistants, and then look who they got. Right now he seems stuck on riding the vets in a desperation move to get into the playoffs. Why, just to get blown out 4-0?

I think he could have easily survived a bad year win-loss wise by emphasizing developing the youngins and implementing a modern game. But again, he just seems to lack vision.
 
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NAOS said:
I'll add this:
If we see an Al Jefferson trade, then my personal mending with this team will begin.
If not, then I'm afraid I don't have too much interest in watching the Jazz for the remainder of the season. Why do I need to see Al, Devin, Howard, and CJ audition for other teams? Why should I sit through a game to see Favors, Kanter, and Burks combine for 30 minutes?

trade Al, commit to defense, and build some ****ing chemistry by moving the ball around. That's all.
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Well said. I think Al and Devin are probably untradeable right now due to their high salaries. And I'm not in favor of the Jazz taking back worse contracts in return. But I'd like to see CJ, Raja and Howard traded. Certainly we could pick up some draft picks in return?

And I definitely think the young players NEED to get more minutes. I'm restless, but I'm willing to think that perhaps there might be something in play for the 15th. If not - and it's Ty's decision to go with these vets at the expense of developing the youngsters - then pass the petition and let's recall Corbin.
 
franklin said:
Damn near .500 with _________________


I'll start.

No offseason, Rockie Mountain Review, no training camp.
Two rookie projects and two sophomores who did little their rookie year and he wasn't allowed to work with them in the offseason.
No backcourt.
Not a single All-Star.
No starting point guard.
CJ Miles.
No John Wall, Steph Curry, Deron Williams, Kyrie Irving, or loaded pieces teams like Golden State and Sacramento.
No 3 point shooting whatsoever--point two ninety nine.
Raja is the only player over 34% with a meaningful amount of 3 point attempts.
Minnesota is only 2 games better with so much more talent.



But Tyrone Corbin sucks and is unprepared to coach, right chode monkeys?
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I would have justified with just having chucker...Anyway, PREACH, brother, PREACH!
 
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