Brown Notes
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It only makes sense if you want to win and haven't ragequit the team.
Corbin's perception is different than yours
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It only makes sense if you want to win and haven't ragequit the team.
That would be a silly argument.
JimLes
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Let me put it this way then. If you swapped Thibodeau and Corbin, do you think the Bulls would be the best team in the league? Do you think the Jazz would still be only a game over .500?
Ahhh man, if we got one of the best coaches in the league would we be better? Such a hard question.
No ****, we would be better. Corbin is a rookie with 2 border-line (at best) All-Stars (Sap and Jefferson), a has been PG and SF (Harris and Howard), and a handful of young players. Corbin is doing good, stop being a inpatient baby.
Would Corbin win more games if we switched CJ with LeBron Jimmer?
Brown Notes
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This won't make you like TC any better but I am sure what he has been doing is giving CJ as much an opportunity as possible to make a case for himself. Considering what Miles has done with that it is puzzling he was not moved.
After Burks' 4th quarter last game I'd be pretty surprised if he's not up several spots in the chart. That's how Hayward redeemed himself. I suspect we are going to see a lot less of CJ.
You're probably going to be mad when Raja starts at least the first game he is back to health. Hopefully he doesn't get too many minutes, but I will be surprised if he loses his job outright the first game coming from injury. Most coaches will at least play the guy for game or two before benching them.
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I'm just confused that people who profess to be NBA fans can have such a fundamental lack of understanding of how players develop in this league. There are very few players ever that have been able to be let loose as rookies/sophomores and had any measure of success. Just because you see flashes of brilliance in their minutes off the bench doesn't mean that it will translate into 30+ minutes as a starter.
The starters on the team (for all their weaknesses) have shown that they can start in the NBA. They have earned their right to be there until they can't do it any more or someone better off the bench shows they can sustain their success and (probably more importantly) limit their mistakes over the course of more and more minutes.
Do I get frustrated when I see a starter who is underperforming? Sure. But I have seen these same young players who have made some admittedly great plays off the bench really stink it up when given a chance to start too. It's a balancing act for sure, but developing players means more than just letting the young guys play. Teaching them that they need to get better to earn those minutes will go a long way.
I see the recent success of these young players as a validation of what the coaching staff has done, not an indictment of it.
The starters on the team (for all their weaknesses) have shown that they can start in the NBA. They have earned their right to be there until they can't do it any more or someone better off the bench shows they can sustain their success and (probably more importantly) limit their mistakes over the course of more and more minutes.
Do I get frustrated when I see a starter who is underperforming? Sure. But I have seen these same young players who have made some admittedly great plays off the bench really stink it up when given a chance to start too. It's a balancing act for sure, but developing players means more than just letting the young guys play. Teaching them that they need to get better to earn those minutes will go a long way.
I see the recent success of these young players as a validation of what the coaching staff has done, not an indictment of it.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Right now I'm not too worried about who starts, but who finnishes. For example if Burks gets only14 minutes I'm ok as long as 8 to 10 of those minutes are in the 4th quarter.
DutchJazzer
Banned
a different coach would have us 10-12 games above 500.
then again another coach might have gotten us 5-10 games below 500
DutchJazzer
Banned
how do you epxlain rookies comming in and producing without getting snubbed
eg cp3 compared to dwill.
eg stoudemire.
eg lebrick
eg carmello
eg rubio
eg ....
eg...
eg.....
list goes on and on
This team was projected to finish dead ****ing last in the western conference by some pundits. I think Ty has done a good job for 1.5 year head coach. The four are the future and Ty is bringing them a long nicely. They're getting better everyday, what the **** else do you want? Some of you want us to treat our young guys like the Wizards treat theirs. gIve teh Yung playas all the time an letem pwnnnn.
OK.
OK.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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For every Labron there are 3 or 4 Kobe's, J. O'Neal, McGrady. That list goes on and on as well
Brown Notes
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Stoudemire and Carmello could very well have been much better players if they hadn't been treated like superstars the second they arrived at their respective teams.
I don't think they are very good examples of how great an idea it is to hand the franchise to your young talent.
I don't think they are very good examples of how great an idea it is to hand the franchise to your young talent.
NotDeadYet
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I think most everyone on JazzFanz would agree the "youngens" have ALL improved greatly since the beginning of the season. They have learned a lot since then, which improves their consistancy on the court AND in practice. Better consistancy = more minutes.
The question seems to be: would they have learned quicker by being on the court longer earlier in the season?
Look at OKC; playing all their young guys extended minutes in their first season was so bad they got top draft picks multiple years. Doing it coach Ty's way allows the coaching staff to do a much better job of dissecting exactly "what went wrong" when a player got in the game and screwed up. In OKC, they'd have a whole GAME to dissect instead of a few minutes. Much more difficult for a player to correct his mistakes over a longer period of time on the court. We are correcting youthful mistakes much more efficiently in Utah; the youngens are improving before our eyes and will eventually over time take us to new heights...
The question seems to be: would they have learned quicker by being on the court longer earlier in the season?
Look at OKC; playing all their young guys extended minutes in their first season was so bad they got top draft picks multiple years. Doing it coach Ty's way allows the coaching staff to do a much better job of dissecting exactly "what went wrong" when a player got in the game and screwed up. In OKC, they'd have a whole GAME to dissect instead of a few minutes. Much more difficult for a player to correct his mistakes over a longer period of time on the court. We are correcting youthful mistakes much more efficiently in Utah; the youngens are improving before our eyes and will eventually over time take us to new heights...
Stifle Tower
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Jazz are about where I projected. I believe in the prediction thread, I said right around .500 and they'd barely miss the playoffs. I did say there was a chance they could really surprise if Favors and Hayward showed good improvement over last season and the rookies were able to contribute.
My problem is not so much with the big man rotation. The Jazz got rid of one potential problem by trading Okur. The problem I've had was Ty continuing to play Raja, CJ and Howard big minutes when all three have been minimally effective. And he could have given Kanter and Favors a bit more time by playing Millsap some at the 3.
My problem is not so much with the big man rotation. The Jazz got rid of one potential problem by trading Okur. The problem I've had was Ty continuing to play Raja, CJ and Howard big minutes when all three have been minimally effective. And he could have given Kanter and Favors a bit more time by playing Millsap some at the 3.
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Young guys have to earn their minutes. Burks wasn't ready at the beginning of the year.
Jerry Sloan made DWill take the starting spot. It made DWill mad but he finally earned it, unfortunately he was too late and the Jazz didn't make the playoffs that year. I've heard (but not seen the quote) Sloan has said he probably made a mistake and should have started DWill sooner. Maybe Corbin made the same mistake with Burks, Favors and Kanter, but I doubt it.
Jerry Sloan made DWill take the starting spot. It made DWill mad but he finally earned it, unfortunately he was too late and the Jazz didn't make the playoffs that year. I've heard (but not seen the quote) Sloan has said he probably made a mistake and should have started DWill sooner. Maybe Corbin made the same mistake with Burks, Favors and Kanter, but I doubt it.