Alec Burks VS. Getting swept in the 2011 Playoffs

[freakazoid]

Hypothetical situation. Let's say you had the power to go back and have the Jazz make the playoffs last year, only to get swept in the first round by, let's say, the Lakers. The only catch is, you have to give up the draft pick we took Alec Burks with. He's off the team, so Utah could have more minutes for Bell and CJ.

What would you do?

 

[TroutBum]

I see what you're doing, and I like it.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Do the Clippers trade Baron Davis if they know that their pick will win the lottery and that the new CBA will make them able to amnesty Davis in a few months? No. Do we tank and get Burks if we know now what kind of player he can be insteda of getting swept by the Lakers? Yes. But if the choice is between getting to the play offs with a chance to do some harm and getting a player that could turn out to be good - Burks - or irrelevant - as Aldrich or Babbitt - I`ll take the playoffs.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Bad comparison. Jazz ended up with the twelfth pick, not the last lotto pick.

The question because, would you rather have Marcus (not Markieff) Morris in last year's draft or make the playoffs?

 

[franklin]

Hypothetical situation. Let's say you had the power to go back and have the Jazz make the playoffs last year, only to get swept in the first round by, let's say, the Lakers. The only catch is, you have to give up the draft pick we took Alec Burks with. He's off the team, so Utah could have more minutes for Bell and CJ.

What would you do?

You are a sexy man in this suit.

 

[orangello]

Hypothetical situation. Let's say you had the power to go back and have the Jazz make the playoffs last year, only to get swept in the first round by, let's say, the Lakers. The only catch is, you have to give up the draft pick we took Alec Burks with. He's off the team, so Utah could have more minutes for Bell and CJ.

What would you do?

I like this.

 

[franklin]

Here's another question:

If you could have traded AJ for an expiring contract, which either moved the Jazz up into about the 6th spot or possibly improved the team while developing all stars, and had over $23,000,000 to spend this off season to go along with two lottery picks, would you consider that unethical in a game of strategy?

$23,000,000 and two draft picks to go along with Millsap, Favors, Kanter, Alec Burks, and Hayward does not sound like creating a Sacramento or Washington as many are pretending it automatically would. If they can't get anyone in the off season then teams will come with offers to take a player for a TPE or cap space to facilitate another deal.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Hypothetical situation. Let's say you had the power to go back and have the Jazz make the playoffs last year, only to get swept in the first round by, let's say, the Lakers. The only catch is, you have to give up the draft pick we took Alec Burks with. He's off the team, so Utah could have more minutes for Bell and CJ.

What would you do?

Now that we're in the hunt, I'd prefer to push to make the playoffs and see what kind of seeding we can get. I don't think it's a given that we'd be 8th or that we'd be swept. Avoid the Thunder, and I think we can win a couple games at least against anyone else, even SA. Besides, I'm not sure that playing Burks and making playoffs are mutually exclusive. I tend to think that they are compatible with each other. If you don't want to make the playoffs, then not playing Burks is probably a better idea.

 

[chawx]

The Jazz fell out of the playoff race in about January last year, lost their coach, and traded their best player at the time (their best player who was destined to leave the team in a year anyway). So, there was no way for them to make the playoffs (ie. They didn't tank last year to get Burks). So your hypothetical is irrelevant.

Trying to draw comparisons to this year, a year where we have a team capable of getting into the first round to be a 5-8 seed and face an OKC, Spurs, Lakers, or Clippers, *and yes, possibly get swept or win 1 or 2 games* and last year's team that was literally ripped in half, is like comparing apples and "orangello's"

Plus, how do you know Burks doesn't drop to us at 15 or whatever anyway? Yeah, that's my scenario I choose, if we're just randomly making up stuff. Jazz make the playoffs last year, and draft Burks. Add that to the poll, because that's what I choose.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Problem is, more times than not you're going to miss on pick 10 thru 13 than hit. Statistically, the odds of you getting a long term rotation player in the back end of the lottery is insanely low. Alec Burks is the exception, not the rule. It's much more likely you end up with the likes of Kirk Snyder. Obviously the OP framed this question specifically to slant it towards the argument that the Jazz missing the playoffs this year is better than a possible first round sweep. Weak sauce.

Thanks but I will take my team making the playoffs and building a culture for the young guys that winning is expected. Period, no exceptions. Teams in any sport that see the bright side in winning less games in order to get better picks are usually perennial losers and so are their fans.

 

[Bodhi]

I see what you're doing, and I like it.

Wait, you cracked the code? But his true meaning is so well hidden and not at all obvious.

 

[The Thriller]

Brilliant idea. Lets compare one of the weakest drafts (last year) in recent NBA history with one of the strongest (this year).

Jimmer probably wouldn't even be a 1st rounder in this draft.

This draft is loaded.

I'm not necessarily advocating tanking the rest of this season. However, lets not sure last year's example for this year. This year is loaded with tons of great bigs and wings. It's deep, unlike last year's draft.

 

[BluesRocker]

I thought the fact that we sucked our way into getting Alex Burks meant we were doomed to be bad forever? There should me no hope of pulling out of a nose dive according to chawx and others. Once you are bad for a year or two then you are guaranteed to be bad forever right? No matter who you draft. Because once you create a losing environment you can't change it back. So how are we winning games this year and Alex Burks is helping us do that?
Wow, this is so hard to figure out.

 

[My2Cents]

Problem is, more times than not you're going to miss on pick 10 thru 13 than hit. Statistically, the odds of you getting a long term rotation player in the back end of the lottery is insanely low. Alec Burks is the exception, not the rule. It's much more likely you end up with the likes of Kirk Snyder. Obviously the OP framed this question specifically to slant it towards the argument that the Jazz missing the playoffs this year is better than a possible first round sweep. Weak sauce.

Thanks but I will take my team making the playoffs and building a culture for the young guys that winning is expected. Period, no exceptions. Teams in any sport that see the bright side in winning less games in order to get better picks are usually perennial losers and so are their fans.

I agree with this, and I think Alec Kessler, Harold Miner, Cherokee Parks, Austin Croshere, Aleksandar Radojevic, Melvin Ely, Robert Swift, Yaroslav Korolev, and Hilton Armstrong would also agree.

 

[Hartsock]

Whats the difference between not making the playoffs and getting the 14th pick and making the playoffs and getting the 16th - 18th pick? Or even getting the 5,6,7 seed and possibly advancing? I want to make the playoffs, the only team I really fear getting destroyed by are the Thunder, everyone else we have a fighting chance against. Oh and **** Kobe.

 

[Bodhi]

Whats the difference between not making the playoffs and getting the 14th pick and making the playoffs and getting the 16th - 18th pick?

Difference is we dont get the pick if we make the playoffs. Its top 14 protected.

 

[orangello]

Whats the difference between not making the playoffs and getting the 14th pick and making the playoffs and getting the 16th - 18th pick? Or even getting the 5,6,7 seed and possibly advancing? I want to make the playoffs, the only team I really fear getting destroyed by are the Thunder, everyone else we have a fighting chance against. Oh and **** Kobe.

Do you even have any idea what the Jazz current pick situation is? I could understand your argument if you actually knew what you were talking about. The pick will be lost if the Jazz make the playoffs.

 

[orangello]

Difference is we dont get the pick if we make the playoffs. Its top 14 protected.

Looks like I was late on this one.

 

[Hartsock]

Do you even have any idea what the Jazz current pick situation is? I could understand your argument if you actually knew what you were talking about. The pick will be lost if the Jazz make the playoffs.

I do know the situation, I'm attempting to half heartedly pay attention in class, therefore making myself look like an ***. O.K. disregard the top half of my post, but I still think we have a decent chance of advancing if we get above the 8 seed. So yes I want to make the playoffs and not have the pick.

 

[Stoked]

It is not that simple OP.