Hipporippo
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Take the DAT and do Dental school. Medicine is NOT what you think it is.
What do Jazzfanz do professionally (...assuming they have jobs) ?
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Take the DAT and do Dental school. Medicine is NOT what you think it is.
Hipporippo
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Another word on medicine:
It is a service industry. But, unlike law where a great lawyer can charge what he is worth, the best doctor is paid the same as the worst doctor for a given visit or procedure.
There is no freedom with government takeover. Unless you do plastics, you will become a well-paid government employee (but without the union, benefits, or security of a government job). Once the government has taken the market out of health care, they can make physician reimbursements whatever they want...salaries will be cut far more than they already have.
Medicine requires the largest upfront investment of any profession: minimum of 11yrs up to 16+yrs after high school working 60-80 hour weeks depending on specialty, and 150k to 300k of debt for med school alone at 6.8% (federal student loan fixed rate). When done, a primary care doc will make just over $100k per yr. Didn't somebody just mention what an auto mechanic can make? My plumber makes more per hour than I do...by far! I just work a LOT more hours than the standard plumber.
Do the math. If you work a 50k/yr job while living like you would during med school and residency (living allowance ~12k) for those first 8yrs of working and banked the rest, you would come out on top. This assumes only a conservative return on investment of 7% per year (compared to 200k+ of debt accruing 6.8% interest throughout training). If you worked overtime equivalent to physician hours (60-80/wk), it only adds to the effect.
The only way to come out ahead in medicine would be to do something like plastics (or dentistry) where you can set your own prices.
Doctors seem well-off because they have lived like paupers and worked their asses off throughout their young adult lives. At the end of training, they haven't spent much but have logged twice the number of "work hours" as their average counterparts.
In the end, they are rewarded with a seemingly well-reimbursed career. But again, you need to compare salary to hours worked and subtract financial investment and opportunity cost.
One shouldn't become a physician for the money because it isn't there. But, job satisfaction has taken a major hit for most of us. We are forced to work more hours and take on more patients to make ends meet. Additionally, physicians are not respected as they once were. The entitled generation (surprisingly I mean both the baby boomers and generation X) assumes a fast food mentality where they order what they want and tell the doctor what to do.
I would NOT tell my children to pursue medicine and I caution you to think VERY carefully before you do so.
It is a service industry. But, unlike law where a great lawyer can charge what he is worth, the best doctor is paid the same as the worst doctor for a given visit or procedure.
There is no freedom with government takeover. Unless you do plastics, you will become a well-paid government employee (but without the union, benefits, or security of a government job). Once the government has taken the market out of health care, they can make physician reimbursements whatever they want...salaries will be cut far more than they already have.
Medicine requires the largest upfront investment of any profession: minimum of 11yrs up to 16+yrs after high school working 60-80 hour weeks depending on specialty, and 150k to 300k of debt for med school alone at 6.8% (federal student loan fixed rate). When done, a primary care doc will make just over $100k per yr. Didn't somebody just mention what an auto mechanic can make? My plumber makes more per hour than I do...by far! I just work a LOT more hours than the standard plumber.
Do the math. If you work a 50k/yr job while living like you would during med school and residency (living allowance ~12k) for those first 8yrs of working and banked the rest, you would come out on top. This assumes only a conservative return on investment of 7% per year (compared to 200k+ of debt accruing 6.8% interest throughout training). If you worked overtime equivalent to physician hours (60-80/wk), it only adds to the effect.
The only way to come out ahead in medicine would be to do something like plastics (or dentistry) where you can set your own prices.
Doctors seem well-off because they have lived like paupers and worked their asses off throughout their young adult lives. At the end of training, they haven't spent much but have logged twice the number of "work hours" as their average counterparts.
In the end, they are rewarded with a seemingly well-reimbursed career. But again, you need to compare salary to hours worked and subtract financial investment and opportunity cost.
One shouldn't become a physician for the money because it isn't there. But, job satisfaction has taken a major hit for most of us. We are forced to work more hours and take on more patients to make ends meet. Additionally, physicians are not respected as they once were. The entitled generation (surprisingly I mean both the baby boomers and generation X) assumes a fast food mentality where they order what they want and tell the doctor what to do.
I would NOT tell my children to pursue medicine and I caution you to think VERY carefully before you do so.
Cocaine
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Being serious? Not poking fun, I just frequently shop there. Used to live in the apartments to the East and would always just walk and hop over the fence.
Cocaine
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I work for a subsidiary of Warner Truck Center in West Valley City Utah called Warner Fleet Services( https://www.Warnerfs.com ). I have changed my title to "Maintenance Agent Extraordinaire."
In short, I help idiotic drivers for different companies(Airgas, CR England, Miller Brothers, O'Reilly) troubleshoot issues when they've broken down, have a flat tire, etc(any issues preventing their unit from moving and delivering product).
Shorter - I work the graveyard shift, so we don't get many calls. My Co-Worker and I watch movies and process paperwork, occasionally bring our game systems in and hook it up to our monitors. Job is fantastic. Great people, free gym across the street, discounted parts for any type of vehicle, discounted VIP Gold's Gym Memberships..but the Health Insurance is balls. $260ish per check for my wife and I and they won't cover anything until we've paid $2500 out of pocket. Not happening. So my wife, who has been out of work with an ankle injury since November 29th, 2010 is still struggling.
Looking for a second job. Trout, need someone to give you a daily tug? I'm cheap.
In short, I help idiotic drivers for different companies(Airgas, CR England, Miller Brothers, O'Reilly) troubleshoot issues when they've broken down, have a flat tire, etc(any issues preventing their unit from moving and delivering product).
Shorter - I work the graveyard shift, so we don't get many calls. My Co-Worker and I watch movies and process paperwork, occasionally bring our game systems in and hook it up to our monitors. Job is fantastic. Great people, free gym across the street, discounted parts for any type of vehicle, discounted VIP Gold's Gym Memberships..but the Health Insurance is balls. $260ish per check for my wife and I and they won't cover anything until we've paid $2500 out of pocket. Not happening. So my wife, who has been out of work with an ankle injury since November 29th, 2010 is still struggling.
Looking for a second job. Trout, need someone to give you a daily tug? I'm cheap.
asian_roger
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I used to sell appliances and electronics at a retail store for 5 years until I lost respect for the management and corporation I worked for and walked out (*cough* the entire national company is probably going to shut down in two years). I was proud of what I did and personally love selling, now I am a U student pursuing a degree in Business Operations Managements. I am looking for a job, any ideas folks?
squareinthecircle
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I'm a former electrician out on disability for RA. Still waiting on permanent disability but it should go through soon. I get to stay at home and do drugs legally and raise my beautiful daughter. I'm gonna need to retrain soon also. The drugs have compromised my mind a bit and now I'm at mortal level. Thinking about going to Heald for their Shepherding certificate.
The Black Swordsman
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Thanks! Ya I heard a lot about this, there was a blog I read once called 100 things I wish I knew about medicine and all of it is negative.
I don't care if Doctors got 50k a year, I really want to be one. Also, I have already invested my BA in biology with physiology concentration and I do not want to pursue a PHD route.
The Black Swordsman
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You're is you are. Your is when it is not your.
I don't bother making sure I use the right one because most sport fans are redneck hillbilly's (even more clear by this thread). So fail once again troutbum.
The Black Swordsman
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My sister had the same dilemma and I recommended for her Biology but a molecular biology focus rather then physiology. This is because molecular biology is a better major to get into a job if you do not get into medical school. However, if you are certain that you are going to medical school and it is medical school or bust, the major I did which is Biology with a concentration in Physiology is the best because I learn some things about neurology, histology (tissue biology), endocrinology, etc that they do not even learn in medical schools. (I said said some things, mainly because most of these things I learn are research based rather then medical based).
I heard that Biochemistry majors do the best in Medical school but I heard that from a Biochem major so he is biased... Also he didn't get accepted to medical school...
If your grades are borderline maybe get accepted/ maybe not get accepted I would warn you against Biology Physiology based because I know people who have a post doctorate (higher then a PHD) in biology with physiology focus and they get paid 40k a year... And that is with as much schooling as med school people.
Uh, your insurance is pooh. Ever tried to get your own personal insurance through Select Health, Humana, or United? As for the Tug, I'll have to have a money back guarantee before I buy that trash.
Hipporippo
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It is true that some PhDs in the biological sciences aren't paid well (usually in academics and academic research). However, in private industry, some are making as much or more than physicians. PhDs also typically have their grad school paid for entirely plus a stipend (~25k to 30k+ per yr throughout their graduate work and more during postdoc).
I would argue that although a PhD and post doctorate fellowship are equivalent in years to the length of training for some medical specialties (primary care ones), the number of hours worked and intensity of training is much different. Speak to an MD/PhD for verification of this.
You can also look at jobs in consulting, health care management, nursing (nurse practitioner, anesthatist)--all of which have much shorter training periods. A dentist isn't required to do residency and the residencies thy have are much shorter; plus they make more money than most MDs. Chiropractics (although not evidence-based) is a good field for the practitioner.
Again, my warning is "DO SOMETHING ELSE!"
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Fishsticks
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I'm a hotel exec. If I really like you I might just hook you up.
Hartsock
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I'm assuming you like me because I'm tight with Blue Edwards and David Benoit. You like me right?
The Black Swordsman
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For some reason all the dentists in Phoenix are all Mormon. They are like the Jews with the banks they have a monopoly!
Juss playing btw.
I mean your comparing the top PHD earners with the average MD/DO earners. If you have a PHD you can very likely still have a hard time finding a job, however if you have a MD/DO you will at least make 150k a year, granted insurance and all that will take a portion of it but you would still have a hard time not having decent money.
If you compare the top MD earners with top PHD earners you will find MD earners will likely earn more. For ever Kary Mullis, Craig Ventor, and James Watson there is a Thomas Frist, Patrick Soon-Shiong, and William Cook.
Juss playing btw.
I mean your comparing the top PHD earners with the average MD/DO earners. If you have a PHD you can very likely still have a hard time finding a job, however if you have a MD/DO you will at least make 150k a year, granted insurance and all that will take a portion of it but you would still have a hard time not having decent money.
If you compare the top MD earners with top PHD earners you will find MD earners will likely earn more. For ever Kary Mullis, Craig Ventor, and James Watson there is a Thomas Frist, Patrick Soon-Shiong, and William Cook.
I'm an electrician. I'm underpaid and overappreciated. My insurance and pay both suck serious ***. The job takes a physical toll on my body that I can feel everyday and whose toll will only be known years down the road. I work in conditions ranging from 100 degrees in the summer to 0 degrees in the winter. All that being said, I freaking love what I do and I'm pretty damn good at it as well. My boss is awesome. He's super flexible. Let's me do all the after-hours work I want. I think having control on how often he gets to see his grandkids plays a big part in it. For those that got lost with that statement, my boss is my dad. When he can finally convince his bank account it's time to retire, the company will be mine.
jazz_fanatic
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I sell desserts. Workin' on becoming a pastry chef...I think. I don't really know what's going on.
Troutbum visited me at work today...and in return, I gave him diabetes. Hey TB, can I babysit your cute kids?
Troutbum visited me at work today...and in return, I gave him diabetes. Hey TB, can I babysit your cute kids?
