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Black Kid Shot in Gated Neighboorhood

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/S...uest/-/1637132/10042672/-/tovmqt/-/index.html

Crump sent a formal request to the Justice Department on Monday, saying, "within hours of the shooting in which Trayvon Martin was killed, Sanford Chief of Police Bill lee met with State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. We also believe that family members of shooter George Zimmerman were present at the police department. It was further revealed that State Attorney Norm Wolfinger and Chief Bill Lee overruled the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Chris Serino, who recommended that George Michale Zimemrman be arrested for manslaughter for killing Trayvon Benjamin Martin."

Wolfinger said he was "outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter..." and he, "encourages the Justice Department to investigate and document that no such meeting or communication occurred."
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So, one of Salty's main arguing points is a flat out fabrication created by Martin's parent's attorney.
 
Scat said:
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/S...uest/-/1637132/10042672/-/tovmqt/-/index.html



So, one of Salty's main arguing points is a flat out fabrication created by Martin's parent's attorney.
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Which one of my main points is a fabrication?

The lead investigator released a signed affidavit stating that he had wanted to arrest and charge Zimmerman but was over ruled.

I think what the state attorney is denying is that he met with Zimmerman's dad (the retired judge) before over ruling the lead investigator. The fact that he over ruled the lead investigator is not in question.
 
Show me please where I referred to you specifically as a bigot?

I had in mind primarily Hayward Supremacist, although I'm not sure he's not just a troll who's spoofing us. But I know enough people like him to know people like him exist.

Your hyper defensiveness only suggests to me that the criticism stikes a bit too closely to home. Maybe a bit of critical self-reflection is in order.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Show me please where I referred to you specifically as a bigot?

I had in mind primarily Hayward Supremacist, although I'm not sure he's not just a troll who's spoofing us. But I know enough people like him to know people like him exist.
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My apologies then. 2 or 3 others accused me of being a racist and I assumed you were jumping on the bandwagon. Again, my apologies.

Your hyper defensiveness only suggests to me that the criticism stikes a bit too closely to home. Maybe a bit of critical self-reflection is in order.
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Thank you Sigmund.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Show me please where I referred to you specifically as a bigot?

I had in mind primarily Hayward Supremacist, although I'm not sure he's not just a troll who's spoofing us. But I know enough people like him to know people like him exist.

Your hyper defensiveness only suggests to me that the criticism stikes a bit too closely to home. Maybe a bit of critical self-reflection is in order.
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He gets it from sleeping with blood relatives. It's ok Scat I think you are a trailblazer lol.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Show me please where I referred to you specifically as a bigot?

I had in mind primarily Hayward Supremacist, although I'm not sure he's not just a troll who's spoofing us. But I know enough people like him to know people like him exist.

Your hyper defensiveness only suggests to me that the criticism stikes a bit too closely to home. Maybe a bit of critical self-reflection is in order.
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I thought Hayward Supremacist was just a troll until he posted that KKK stuff. I don't think a troll would be browsing KKK blogs. And I don't know how else he would have found the news that Martin's facebook had been hacked by a KKK member without following those type of sites.
 
Scat said:
My apologies then. 2 or 3 others accused me of being a racist and I assumed you were jumping on the bandwagon. Again, my apologies.



Thank you Sigmund.
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You're welcome. I am curious, though, why are you so hell fire determined to take Zimmerman's side in this? Is it a knee jerk reaction or is there some kind of actual reflection behind it? Do you want to believe that Martin is somehow complicit--is there some kind of ideological imperative behind it? Years ago I would have been arguing the same thing you are arguing now, so I know a bit about how the mindset works.

By way of full disclosure, I have no dog in this fight. I solely want to see justice done, and after reading multiple accounts in multiple websites and print media, I have tried to reach an evidence-based decision, which is I believe that an overly gung-ho Zimmerman unnecessarily confronted Martin for no just cause, other than the phantoms in his imgination. I do not think Zimmerman acted out of premeditation, but I think he acted very unwisely and set in motion a totally avoidable chain of events that led to the tragedy. I think he is culpable in the death and should be brought to trial. I don't believe even under the Stand your Ground statute that he is not culpable, and at least two sponsors of the Stand Your Ground legislation agree with me. I do not know if he is guilty of a crime per se--that's for a jury to decide, but he bears direct and overwhelming responsibility for the poor choices that led to the outcome and at the very least he should be charged and tried.

And just in case you or anyone is thinking of claiming otherwise, I am not an adherent of Al Sharpton and others on the left (or right) seeking to gain political advantage from this tragedy. I consider Sharpton and his ilk opportunist race hustlers, and I don't pay attention to what they say.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I think what the state attorney is denying is that he met with Zimmerman's dad (the retired judge) before over ruling the lead investigator. The fact that he over ruled the lead investigator is not in question.
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Not according to State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. He seems pretty upset and is denying any such meeting or communication.
 
Scat said:
Not according to State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. He seems pretty upset and is denying any such meeting or communication.
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He's denying any such meeting with Zimmerman's family, right? Surely he's not denying a meeting with the police.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
By way of full disclosure, I have no dog in this fight. I solely want to see justice done, and after reading multiple accounts in multiple websites and print media, I have tried to reach an evidence-based decision, which is I believe that an overly gung-ho Zimmerman unnecessarily confronted Martin for no just cause, other than the phantoms in his imgination. I do not think Zimmerman acted out of premeditation, but I think he acted very unwisely and set in motion a totally avoidable chain of events that led to the tragedy. I think he is culpable in the death and should be brought to trial. I don't believe even under the Stand your Ground statute that he is not culpable, and at least two sponsors of the Stand Your Ground legislation agree with me. I do not know if he is guilty of a crime per se--that's for a jury to decide, but he bears direct and overwhelming responsibility for the poor choices that led to the outcome and at the very least he should be charged and tried.
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Actually, I find nothing in your above quote that I disagree with. That said, I think Treyvon Martin also made some terrible decisions that night. I posted them earlier in this thread.

My biggest beef is that Sharpton, Jackson, Treyvon's parents and their lawyer and the media drove a specific narrative, and in fact, the media altered evidence and presented certain facts in a way that suggests that this was a racially driven event. The majority of those following the case have eaten it up, including our president. As time goes on and more evidence is brought to light that it was nothing more than a tragic event it is interesting that people's mindset regarding the situation has not been altered at all.

I guess what is driving my engine at the moment is the Duke lacrosse case from a few years back. Sharpton and his ilk were right there on the front lines to lynch the Duke students but when the truth came out there was no apology nor even an acknowledgement that they were in the wrong and the media never calls him or Jackson on it. I guess I just get tired of the victim mentality while taking no responsibility.
 
I can't believe this conversation is still going even though I left.
 
SaltyDawg said:
He's denying any such meeting with Zimmerman's family, right? Surely he's not denying a meeting with the police.
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Not sure if he's denying communication with the lead investigator or Zimmerman's father. The article is not clear on this.
 
Scat said:
Not sure if he's denying communication with the lead investigator or Zimmerman's father. The article is not clear on this.
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I think it's intentionally not clear. The lead investigator was perfectly clear in his affidavit.

It's the state attorney who decides to either press charges or not. Usually that doesn't happen on Sunday night right after the police question the guy, but it does happen at some point.

This guy can't possibly be denying that he ever had any contact with the police or decided not to press charges. And the lead investigator was perfectly clear that he wanted to arrest and charge Zimmerman but was over ruled.
 
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