Gordon Hayward - what's the issue?
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billyshelby
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Here's what Hayward can't, and will never do: He'll never be a guy who beats his man off the dribble. He'll never finish at the rim of a drive with consistency. He'll never be a knock down shooter. He'll never learn a runner (he hasn't done one yet)
Here's what he can learn (and/or be good at): He can be good on the PnR. He can get more consistent on set shots. He can learn a stop and pop in the lane from 5-7 (iffy, but he can do it.) He can become a player who signs a contract beyond the MLE, but hopefully not with us unless he improves.
Here's what he can learn (and/or be good at): He can be good on the PnR. He can get more consistent on set shots. He can learn a stop and pop in the lane from 5-7 (iffy, but he can do it.) He can become a player who signs a contract beyond the MLE, but hopefully not with us unless he improves.
The Fresh Prince
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And this is a guy we want long term?
carolinajazz
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...did Larry Bird finish "at the rim?" Not that Hayward is a franchise player, but he can still be very productive without finishing at the rim!
I think trading Big Al will put players like Hayward in the best position possible.
Hayward is a team player. He'd fit in great with the Spurs. I think he'll step up big time if the offense isn't centered around Big Al.
We need to be a free flowing team that moves the ball around well, pick and rolls, and has improved shooting.
When teams are packing the paint he needs to hit that shot. I still believe he's going to be a good shooter, and boarderline all-star for us. This playoff series was a big of a let down though. Let's see how he responds next year.
Hayward is a team player. He'd fit in great with the Spurs. I think he'll step up big time if the offense isn't centered around Big Al.
We need to be a free flowing team that moves the ball around well, pick and rolls, and has improved shooting.
When teams are packing the paint he needs to hit that shot. I still believe he's going to be a good shooter, and boarderline all-star for us. This playoff series was a big of a let down though. Let's see how he responds next year.
Gyp Rosetti
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Ginobili shot 39.4% from the field in the series and averaged 7.8 points per game. Try harder though.
orangello
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Ginobili does that to nearly every defender that gets thrown his way.
orangello
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It seems like the Jazz as a team play better when the ball is going through Haywards hands. He doesn't need to be the shooter, but he seems to be able to set up his teammates in a great position.
RealFansStand
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He's a second year player in his first playoff series ever. That's all you need to read into this situation.
candrew
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Remember the scene in Hoosiers before the championship game when Gene Hackman had his team measure the height of the rim and then the distance from the foul line to the baseline?
Confidence, confidence, confidence.
Hayward looked exactly like he did in December - trying to make the perfect shot and then hanging his head when he didn't. He needs to trust his skills and forget about everything else. He'll be fine - we all saw him mature as the season went on - now we just have to wait for him to mature as he gets more playoff experience.
Anyway, this is why I wanted the Jazz to make the playoff while they were still on the way up - this way guys like Hayward, Burks, Favors and Kanter can get a taste while the expectations were low.
Confidence, confidence, confidence.
Hayward looked exactly like he did in December - trying to make the perfect shot and then hanging his head when he didn't. He needs to trust his skills and forget about everything else. He'll be fine - we all saw him mature as the season went on - now we just have to wait for him to mature as he gets more playoff experience.
Anyway, this is why I wanted the Jazz to make the playoff while they were still on the way up - this way guys like Hayward, Burks, Favors and Kanter can get a taste while the expectations were low.
Yes, but again you confuse wanting him on the team with him being "The Man" on the team. Two very different things.
MVP
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He shot horribly in all series. I think he made total of 3 jumpers.
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Still a far-cry better than "all the players selected after him in the 2010 Draft", like Patterson, Davis and Landry, eh AKMVP?
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?7467-What-if-we-would-have-not-made-the-D-Will-trade
Growing pains. Look at Paul George's numbers, he's have a rough playoffs as well.
This is par for the course. But from what we've seen from Hayward, he'll work his *** off this summer and improve.
This is par for the course. But from what we've seen from Hayward, he'll work his *** off this summer and improve.
MVP
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Not really geting your point. Davis and Patterson are not in playoffs and Landry Fields is shooting .417% FG ( beter then .180 ), .200 3pt FG ( again better then Haywards .083 3pt FG )
If you trying to point that Hayward had better regular season then these guys then yes, you are right.
MVP
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You can work 24hr a day and you wont get much better if you do not have natural talent. Koufos, Price and Araujo were gym rats who worked their asses off during summer and during season and yet never improved to be a difference makers.
We need to lower our expectations for hayward than it will be not as painful when they won't be met. Look at some pre-season posts, some crazy optimists here expected him to average 20pts a game.
Some may overrate him, but you are underrating him for sure. The fact that you just compared Gordon to those hacks just blew your **** up.
Hayward has shown he's capable of 15-5-5, which gives me a renob.
Maybe this off season we will get a real shooting coach and our shooting will show a slight improvement for once. Hornacek=great shooter but not a decent shooting coach.
TheSilencer1313
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Well I don't know about that. Jeff did a pretty good job making Kirilenko ten times the shooter than he was before.
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MVP
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In occasional games - yes. Average per season? Never.