I like Rivers, Miller has great upside. Rivers will surpass his expectations, Miller will not .. just seen too many Millers. Unlimited potential, extremely limited fortitude.
I keep Kanter.
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I like Rivers, Miller has great upside. Rivers will surpass his expectations, Miller will not .. just seen too many Millers. Unlimited potential, extremely limited fortitude.
I keep Kanter.
Fair. I'm not in love with Locke so I assumed these stats were tainted.
Getting awfully damn close ... and I love Enes.
Can't do that unless you've totally given up on Kanter. The odds of something better from two mid-round picks than a #3 pick are just too low.
Kanter was #3 of last year's miserable draft compared to #14 and #16 of this year's loaded draft.
I'd say Kanter would go around #7 if he's in this year's draft (behind Davis, Drummond, MKG, Robinson, Beal, Barnes/Sullinger). So it'd be more like #7 for #14 & #16.
Which to me's a pretty good deal as I'd say Rivers & QMiller can probably start for us straight away.
Maybe splitting hairs, but I would say Kanter would go 4 this year, behind Davis, Drummond, and MKG.
I don't buy it, especially the part about Rivers and Miller starting right away. But here I'll have to bow out, having not seen either of these guys play. I'm just doubtful that even if this is a better draft than last year's that the odds are on our side in this type of swap.
If we swap these guys, we have to get something extra in return. Jefferson is the better player who is still getting (marginally) better, while Okafor has been on a steady decline for a while. He is good at defense, but he has also been injury prone the past couple of years.
Not a huge fan of Kanter, but it seems silly to trade him away just yet. The Jazz organization knows him better than any of us do. Maybe they just don't see him as being as talented as everyone thought, at least not enough to overcome his lack of finishing ability.
I do expect him to improve though, and that would help his trade value. The only way he could stunt his value is if he shows 0 improvement at all.
Jefferson did have a really high PER.
Why doesn't he tell us who it is? It's probably Dutch.
The better players win. Whoever can enforce their style of play on the other team and matchups mean everything in the playoffs. If you have two dominate big men, that should always win.
Unless you are really high on the guys at those two picks, I'm not doing it. This trade would have to be done on draft day, because it would be stupid to do it before if you don't know who is exactly dropping. I also doubt the Jazz have a great grip on who they are really high on yet as combines and workouts haven't started yet. Sounds like most of this talk is just the begging of negotiations where both teams ask for ridiculous stuff and they eventually settle on a fair deal at the last possible moment.
You might be right, but I thought only Givony at DX had him this low. I thought he was 2-4 on everyone else's list
No way Q.Miller could start right away. Not even sure he could get playing time right away. I was high on him to start the season, but he has a lot of work to do before he becomes an NBA player.
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Absolutely correct. All depends on who drops. Even before that, it depends where those picks ended up to be after the lottery.
What I'm simply saying is it's not out of the realm of possibility to consider a Kanter for #14 & #16 type trade to be possibly beneficial to us.
It's fairly outside the realm, especially when they are asking for Millsap also. Even just Kanter, still outside the realm.
Well Millsap's got 1 year left. What is he worth in the market?
Also may be you start with that and may be another team got the wind of it and offer you something better.
I like Kanter. But if we can get a future-solid-potential 'stud' PG and SF from this draft? I'd do it. No questions asked.
We'd still have Favors, it's not like we've got nothing left.
Agreed, but trading away a 19 year old center is still really risky. The prospect of trading Kanter away and getting guys like Terrance Jones and Rivers doesn't bother me, it just bothers me when you throw in Millsap (of course we would be getting a player back to match salary) also.
Totally agree. That's why, I presume, there's no deal in place. That's what is currently on the table and the talks are 'active.' This is the only reason I bring it to the board .. not so much because of the current deal, but the active talks.