Obama Might Lose This
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Duck Rodgers
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The Invisible Hand missed the train to Jykell Island, The Invisible Hand didn't attend Breton Woods, The Invisible Hand didn't craft/sign GATT, NAFTA, or any other flawed trade agreement nor did it establish the WTO or every other corrupt globalist institution whose flaws are showing themselves in very public ways now. All credit goes to real people representing real governments and corporations - or government gimps and coporate jackels as might better fit the characters. So how exactly is half of the problem, the solution to the problem? If we're learning anything from history books or current events it should be that BIG in every form = massive corruption. Big in every form impedes freedom and lessens humanity. Big doesn't work.
Republicans essentially suck when it comes to personal liberties, but are great at economic liberties.
Democrats essentially suck when it comes to economic liberties, but are great at personal liberties.
Libertarians are great at both, which is why I spiritually consider myself one.
None in my lifetime, though I was a kid when Reagan was President (born in the Carter administration). Clinton is probably as close as it gets, but he wasn't exactly inspiring. But he was competent (though he had his share of right wing nutjob detractors who thought he was the worse thing since Hitler) and now competence seems to be asking for a lot.
As time goes by I am increasingly libertarian. Especially over the last two years.
Mission Accomplished
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So you believe that no regulations is best for a our country?
Free markets let humans be humans. You want humanity, it's there in the chaos.
There is a difference between regulation and holding business accountable when they cause damage. I'm 110% for holding businesses accountable, not so much for piling regulations higher and deeper.
Mission Accomplished
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What about holding them accountable and not more regulation but straight forward regulations that are overseen and followed. I'm for that the problem is there are very smart business men that will push these limits or blaze new trails. Which in turn does make a need for new regulations.
No, and I have issues with the capital L Libertarians and their platform (I think government has a lot of benefit, from national parks to food safety to code enforcement to national defense). However, there is a happy medium with needed regulations and over regulation.
Mission Accomplished
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Agreed. But, like I've tried to point out that those with the money are setting the rules. Regulation while there are a lot of them are teethless based on the simpleness of one party trying to tear them down and the other party trying to patch the holes. Why not get the right to agree that the free market needs oversight then from that point we have a common ground and we can move forward. Also, there are ways that these guys are trying to always buck the system. So, regulations have to be able to evolve as business men prod at the boundaries.
Mission Accomplished
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Think about it 10 years ago there was no need to regulate the derivatives market or worry about companies like AIG hedging at the requests of Goldmann. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-22/goldman-sachs-said-to-name-counterparties-on-aig-hedges-for-u-s-panels.html
Ten years ago bankers were not inventing clever predatory lending policies then pushing companies to sell them.
I think sometimes regulation helps businesses. I was dinosaurs like the big automakers that kept pushing against changing regulations on MPG standards being raised.
Are some regulations too over burdensome I would have to say 'yes'. But, until we can make the right regulations at the right times and then hold everyone accountable. We will continue to see the same trend we have now the rich break the rules and those companies without the same assets are stuck in the regulator box trying to control that rule breaker's company.
Ten years ago bankers were not inventing clever predatory lending policies then pushing companies to sell them.
I think sometimes regulation helps businesses. I was dinosaurs like the big automakers that kept pushing against changing regulations on MPG standards being raised.
Are some regulations too over burdensome I would have to say 'yes'. But, until we can make the right regulations at the right times and then hold everyone accountable. We will continue to see the same trend we have now the rich break the rules and those companies without the same assets are stuck in the regulator box trying to control that rule breaker's company.
Haha, KOC. No one is arguing with you there. It is very much a problem. But I am telling you that it is a bipartisan problem and not a republican one. That is where we disagree.
PearlWatson
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I find this interesting...
That is exactly why the literary agent put that he was born in Kenya up until 2007 when he ran for the Senate. It was to make the bio more interesting. That's the same reason he "compressed" all his "girlfriends" for his Dreams of my Father book.
Agreed. If the only way you can beat the guy is by trying to disqualify him based on a technicality then your position is pretty weak. Try attacking his positions and his record, not his imagined religion and his imagined nationality.
Yup.
Edit: PEople come in all the time bashing Obama. I stop them and ask if they even know why they hate him. usually it is "becasue he is a democrat" or a marxist or a communist or even muslim. At that point I tell them to go back to not thinking.
PearlWatson
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Where?
My work.
PearlWatson
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You insult people at your work?