First they mentioned PKM by name and now franklin and Jazzfan1971. I think it is safe to say that they check the site on occasion...
"From user franklin on JazzFanz.com:
The Charlotte Bobcats send Tyrus Thomas, D.J. Augustin, and the #2 pick of the draft, for Al Jefferson, the future GSW pick, and a future top 4 protected pick.
Thomas' contract sucks and reports on Augustine are that he didn't improve much. If he's serviceable for 6 years then Jazz get set with potentially 6 solid young guys and cap room to either go after veteran FA's or retain financial flexibility in preparation to re-sign the young guys.
Reports are that the Bobcats have been shopping their #2 pick around, looking for maximum value out of a deal. This would do a lot of things for them. First, it frees them of Thomas' onerous contract (3 years, $26 million left), giving them a much higher ability to throw everything away and start over. Second, it gives them a good player, someone who is able to be the focal point of an offense and score points reasonably efficiently (well, especially when compared to B.J. Mullens). While they lose this year's pick, they would be getting two likely mid-round picks later on.
I do suspect, however, that they would say no. Al Jefferson is nice, and will help you win more than 7 games. However, he doesn't help you win lots of games (Minnesota and Boston say hi), nor does he really sell tickets. The buzz would go backwards. In this article, Matt Moore explains why Charlotte should trade the pick: because they need to get better at every position. Unfortunately, trading two players and a draft pick for one current player isn't helping. There might be a trade that does work out (your suggestions?), but I don't think this sways them away from the significantly higher potential of the #2 pick.
If I were the Jazz, I would say yes, though. The #2 pick could add a very good player right away and a relatively decent PG of the future. The cost of Tyrus Thomas and the lesser flexibility is disappointing, but... would be probably worth it due to how well the Jazz would be set up.
Now, I would be remiss if I didn't mention Peter Novak's contributions to this trade idea, which basically amount to adding Burks or another one of the Jazz younger players to this deal, peraps instead of the Utah pick. Ultimately, we agreed that doing so would be unlikely to sway the Bobcats, unless that Jazz younger player was Favors. Of course, the Jazz, understandably, love Favors and would be unlikely to trade him in any move.
Charlotte says NO."
"From Jazzfan1971 on JazzFanz/RealGM:
Al Jefferson
for
Stephen Jackson
Gary Neal
Kawhi Leonard
Why for Utah: Neal and Leonard look good in San Antonio, not sure how they'd look playing for Corbin though...
Why for SAS: Twin towers baby!
This was the very final trade of Jazzfanz' marathon trade list, and I think at this point he had probably had enough of the exercise, hence the very short trade explanations. That being said... it's a really intriguing idea.
From the Spurs' Spurspective (<- this is an incredibly clever piece of writing), this trade actually does make some sense. Remember, Duncan's only playing about half of each game in the regular season. Al can play the other 24 minutes, and find some minutes alongside Duncan. This likely means he has to come off the bench, which means he can find a home where, to me, he makes most sense: as a possession user. There, he can post up at a reasonable efficiency, instead of other, and likely worse, bench options.
The crux of the trade to them is whether or not they can continue to grow wings from nowhere, Hydra style. If they can, then they can easily replace the wings in this trade with Danny Green types from Danny Green places: reasonably good but previously unheard-of shooters and defenders. Maybe they'll sign C.J. Miles for cheap?
For the Jazz, this significantly upgrades the backup point guard and wing positions, with both current talent and players with room to grow. Of course, it allows Favors and Kanter to step into the minute void left by Jefferson. It only impacts the future flexibility of the team with Kawhi Leonard's super reasonable rookie contract, the other two contracts are expiring, including the big one, Stephen Jackson. We'd be a more well-rounded team now, and have more young and talented wing players to grow around later. What's not to like?
Well... for one, the Hydra assumption for the Spurs is a rather big one, and I doubt they are so cavalier about the near future of their team. Second, Kanter would be playing a lot of minutes in this scenario... to me, we'd ideally have a competent 4th man, a Stiemsma type, to be able to play backup C without embarrassing the franchise as Jarron Collins once did. Like Novak, I sort of suspect KOC values Al Jefferson more than this. I value him slightly less, so for me it's a yes.
Hyperbolic geometry doesn't particularly reflect reality, but is internally consistent and leads to some cool mathematical results. In the same sense, both teams probably say NO, but this would be such a cool world and it is fun to imagine"
"From user franklin on JazzFanz.com:
The Charlotte Bobcats send Tyrus Thomas, D.J. Augustin, and the #2 pick of the draft, for Al Jefferson, the future GSW pick, and a future top 4 protected pick.
Thomas' contract sucks and reports on Augustine are that he didn't improve much. If he's serviceable for 6 years then Jazz get set with potentially 6 solid young guys and cap room to either go after veteran FA's or retain financial flexibility in preparation to re-sign the young guys.
Reports are that the Bobcats have been shopping their #2 pick around, looking for maximum value out of a deal. This would do a lot of things for them. First, it frees them of Thomas' onerous contract (3 years, $26 million left), giving them a much higher ability to throw everything away and start over. Second, it gives them a good player, someone who is able to be the focal point of an offense and score points reasonably efficiently (well, especially when compared to B.J. Mullens). While they lose this year's pick, they would be getting two likely mid-round picks later on.
I do suspect, however, that they would say no. Al Jefferson is nice, and will help you win more than 7 games. However, he doesn't help you win lots of games (Minnesota and Boston say hi), nor does he really sell tickets. The buzz would go backwards. In this article, Matt Moore explains why Charlotte should trade the pick: because they need to get better at every position. Unfortunately, trading two players and a draft pick for one current player isn't helping. There might be a trade that does work out (your suggestions?), but I don't think this sways them away from the significantly higher potential of the #2 pick.
If I were the Jazz, I would say yes, though. The #2 pick could add a very good player right away and a relatively decent PG of the future. The cost of Tyrus Thomas and the lesser flexibility is disappointing, but... would be probably worth it due to how well the Jazz would be set up.
Now, I would be remiss if I didn't mention Peter Novak's contributions to this trade idea, which basically amount to adding Burks or another one of the Jazz younger players to this deal, peraps instead of the Utah pick. Ultimately, we agreed that doing so would be unlikely to sway the Bobcats, unless that Jazz younger player was Favors. Of course, the Jazz, understandably, love Favors and would be unlikely to trade him in any move.
Charlotte says NO."
"From Jazzfan1971 on JazzFanz/RealGM:
Al Jefferson
for
Stephen Jackson
Gary Neal
Kawhi Leonard
Why for Utah: Neal and Leonard look good in San Antonio, not sure how they'd look playing for Corbin though...
Why for SAS: Twin towers baby!
This was the very final trade of Jazzfanz' marathon trade list, and I think at this point he had probably had enough of the exercise, hence the very short trade explanations. That being said... it's a really intriguing idea.
From the Spurs' Spurspective (<- this is an incredibly clever piece of writing), this trade actually does make some sense. Remember, Duncan's only playing about half of each game in the regular season. Al can play the other 24 minutes, and find some minutes alongside Duncan. This likely means he has to come off the bench, which means he can find a home where, to me, he makes most sense: as a possession user. There, he can post up at a reasonable efficiency, instead of other, and likely worse, bench options.
The crux of the trade to them is whether or not they can continue to grow wings from nowhere, Hydra style. If they can, then they can easily replace the wings in this trade with Danny Green types from Danny Green places: reasonably good but previously unheard-of shooters and defenders. Maybe they'll sign C.J. Miles for cheap?
For the Jazz, this significantly upgrades the backup point guard and wing positions, with both current talent and players with room to grow. Of course, it allows Favors and Kanter to step into the minute void left by Jefferson. It only impacts the future flexibility of the team with Kawhi Leonard's super reasonable rookie contract, the other two contracts are expiring, including the big one, Stephen Jackson. We'd be a more well-rounded team now, and have more young and talented wing players to grow around later. What's not to like?
Well... for one, the Hydra assumption for the Spurs is a rather big one, and I doubt they are so cavalier about the near future of their team. Second, Kanter would be playing a lot of minutes in this scenario... to me, we'd ideally have a competent 4th man, a Stiemsma type, to be able to play backup C without embarrassing the franchise as Jarron Collins once did. Like Novak, I sort of suspect KOC values Al Jefferson more than this. I value him slightly less, so for me it's a yes.
Hyperbolic geometry doesn't particularly reflect reality, but is internally consistent and leads to some cool mathematical results. In the same sense, both teams probably say NO, but this would be such a cool world and it is fun to imagine"
