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Hotttnickkk said:
Freak touched on this in his interview with Locke.

Kanter & Favors are both Center in his opinion (Favors struggled guarding stretch 4 to the perimeter).

So even though we've always viewed Kanter & Favors as our corner stone at C and PF, I'd trade Kanter for a proven player (say Rondo) or a stud rookie (Beal). May be give up a bit more to get Rondo and get something back as well for Beal.
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Every 4 struggles to guard stretch 4's. That is why stretch 4's are effective. Harpring is an idiot. Favors is a PF who can play C, but his best case position is PF.

Would I trade Kanter for Rondo? Hell yes. Would I trade him for a rookie who isn't that great? Hell no. Beal is a nice player, but I'm not trading a lottery center for him.
 
I will be livid if the Spurs get a lottery pick. Would much prefer seeing them descend into mediocrity over the next decade.


I would honestly much prefer keeping our core-four intact. An Al Jefferson trade would be best, but the probability of this happening doesn't seem to likely. I can only hope that Houston gets desperate, realizes that they can't get Howard, and trade for Al Jefferson.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Every 4 struggles to guard stretch 4's. That is why stretch 4's are effective. Harpring is an idiot. Favors is a PF who can play C, but his best case position is PF.
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I think Harpring was making more of a case for Favors not being a suitable 4 offensively in the podcast. He lacks the offensive skill that many PFs have, and is at the stage of his career where you can't really count on him alone for scoring (would be much different if we had a great passing point guard).

I agree that Favors is better off as a 4, but I can see where Harpring is coming from.
 
dalamon said:
I will be livid if the Spurs get a lottery pick. Would much prefer seeing them descend into mediocrity over the next decade.


I would honestly much prefer keeping our core-four intact. An Al Jefferson trade would be best, but the probability of this happening doesn't seem to likely. I can only hope that Houston gets desperate, realizes that they can't get Howard, and trade for Al Jefferson.
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I don't know how they would. Who do they have to trade? The only thing I can think of is them completely dissolving their team and trading Parker and Manu.

Still, which lotto team is going to want Manu at his age?

I can see Parker getting some interest from mid-range lotto teams because he is still young.
 
dalamon said:
I think Harpring was making more of a case for Favors not being a suitable 4 offensively in the podcast. He lacks the offensive skill that many PFs have, and is at the stage of his career where you can't really count on him alone for scoring (would be much different if we had a great passing point guard).

I agree that Favors is better off as a 4, but I can see where Harpring is coming from.
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You heard offensive, I hear defensive. Both points are valid to a certain extent regardless of what Freak actually said.

A Favors & Kanter frontline would be great length wise, but could be a bit slow chasing quicker players around.
 
Everyone who insists Favors is a 4 needs a reality check. His measurables are in-line with Dwight's. Considering Dwight is one of very few solid centers in the league, I'd then presume Favors could play center. Looking at his stats from 82games.com only solidifies this thought. Favors PER is 18.7 at the 5, two points better than his 16.7 at the 4. His net PER is also better at the 5. Obviously it would be great if we could put him at the 4 but it's not even close to a necessity.

But yeah, the 4 is his position. Keep driving that home.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Everyone who insists Favors is a 4 needs a reality check. His measurables are in-line with Dwight's. Considering Dwight is one of very few solid centers in the league, I'd then presume Favors could play center. Looking at his stats from 82games.com only solidifies this thought. Favors PER is 18.7 at the 5, two points better than his 16.7 at the 4. His net PER is also better at the 5. Obviously it would be great if we could put him at the 4 but it's not even close to a necessity.

But yeah, the 4 is his position. Keep driving that home.
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Yes. Thank you.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
You heard offensive, I hear defensive. Both points are valid to a certain extent regardless of what Freak actually said.

A Favors & Kanter frontline would be great length wise, but could be a bit slow chasing quicker players around.
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Yes, there is going to be a disadvantage in quickness, but you make up for it in size, strength, and length. Every lineup is going to have a weakness. Favors is a 4. It's his natural position. The Jazz management have said it, Favors has said it. He is raw offensively, but it's coming along.
 
Favors speed and quickness advantage at the 5 is bigger than his size/strength advantage as a 4. But he can play both.

However, if Kanter is for real, the opposing D will basically choose which player is which position offensively.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
So even though we've always viewed Kanter & Favors as our corner stone at C and PF, I'd trade Kanter for a proven player (say Rondo) or a stud rookie (Beal). May be give up a bit more to get Rondo and get something back as well for Beal.
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I'd throw in the GSW pick and hope they didn't also demand the Jazz' 2013 first if it were for Rondo or Harden. You start adding talent like that and even Al Jefferson starts looking pretty damn good.

You can make the case that Kanter for Beal requires dragging that scrubby *** point guard Harris along with him.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
So because Favors has similar measurement numbers to Howard he is automatically a center?
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Is it a necessity for you to be exhausting in every ****ing post? I never said that. But to say he's a 4 is ****ing dumb when his measureables are in-line with Howard's and his stats suggest he's better at the 5. But continue to ignore the last part if you want.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Is it a necessity for you to be exhausting in every ****ing post? I never said that. But to say he's a 4 is ****ing dumb when his measureables are in-line with Howard's and his stats suggest he's better at the 5. But continue to ignore the last part if you want.
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Are his stats better at center because he played next to Millsap, instead of Kanter or Jefferson? Or are they better because he is at center? I think it is the former.
 
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