Orrin Hatch destroys Dan

[Gameface]

Look, thriller. I didn't say the LDS church rigged the election, you did. I openly supposed (no proof) that the candidate that won was the one who had support from influential people within the LDS church (which is the same thing as saying the influential local business owners and influential local politicians). I never so much as suggested that anything illegal was happening.

Every time you "call me out" you make demands about what I have to prove and what I need to say. I refuse delivery on your demands. I'm making posts in regard to my opinion. You're not a gotcha journalist and I'm not running for public office, so you can play your fantasy game with someone else.

You constantly make posts that amount to "neener-neerner suck my wiener" and I'm not interested in that type of discussion.

 

[Stoked]

Seems to me Thriller is pulling a religious version of what One Brow does no race.

 

[PearlWatson]

Unfortunately Thriller straight up kicked Gameface's *** on that one.

There was absolutely no need to go all "influential insider" conspiracy theory on why Hatch won.

 

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Specifics please. How did these "power brokers" within the LDS church influence the local populace into voting for Hatch?

This is fun. I love these fairy tales you keep pulling out of your *** and then have the gall to call me naive.

If you want to attribute Hatch's winning to his spending, then fine do that. But claiming the LDS church manufactured a win for hatch against a FELLOW LDS church member (who is probably more conservative than even Hatch) requires just a tid bit of factual data. Interesting.... Of which, you have yet to provide.

Again, your argument about "age superiority" kinda crashes too when you consider the age difference of Mike Lee and Bob Bennett. Are you going to claim that the church didn't side with the elder on that one? But it did with Hatch? So what determines whether the church will side with the candidate with an older age?

Just recently in local politics, Dana Layton, a younger candidate who is FEMALE ousted the older and more experienced Repub Brad Daw (Male) for the house of reps. Mia Love, a young BLACK woman ousted an older white LDS male. Where was the LDS church there?

Typical of you. I'd expect nothing less. Embarrassing you is so easy.

FYI, it has been widely reported that Mia Love is LDS. Despite that, it is still an interesting take.

 

[The Thriller]

Look, thriller. I didn't say the LDS church rigged the election, you did. I openly supposed (no proof) that the candidate that won was the one who had support from influential people within the LDS church (which is the same thing as saying the influential local business owners and influential local politicians). I never so much as suggested that anything illegal was happening.

Every time you "call me out" you make demands about what I have to prove and what I need to say. I refuse delivery on your demands. I'm making posts in regard to my opinion. You're not a gotcha journalist and I'm not running for public office, so you can play your fantasy game with someone else.

You constantly make posts that amount to "neener-neerner suck my wiener" and I'm not interested in that type of discussion.

I thought you felt no need to talk to me more? Interesting.

I figure that whatever person gets support from the LDS church is going to win, so I don't waste my time voting as if it mattered.

post #3

Which one do the power brokers running LDS corp. like better?

Here's a hint. Seniority in the senate matters.

post #5

You don't think there are power brokers within the LDS church who influence local politics?

Exactly how naive are you?

post #33

You're right... You're absolutely right. You weren't suggesting the election was rigged or that the LDS church influenced voters to vote one candidate in or another.

Jeez....

Just admit you were merely taking a cheap shot at the LDS church and really had no proof of it and no idea of what the hell you were talking about. If you consider calling you out and asking you to prove your outrageous statements as "neener-neener" or "gotcha" questions, then that's just tough. Provide a fact or two. Explain how the LDS church helped Hatch win. Do SOMETHING other than complain about "personal attacks" and running away. If you feel this conversation is moving in circles it's because you provide no new information or insight. Again, I ask, what specifically did the LDS Church influence, help, rig, whatever, to get Hatch in?

If you're offended by being asked to defend your offensive statements or are offended when someone challenges you, then you need to look inward first. Perhaps *gasp* you shouldn't make ridiculous statements thus provoking responses from people who are much more informed than you.

Bye bye now

 

[PearlWatson]

Washington also wasn't a big fan of political parties, which are worse now than in Washington's time.

Aaron Burr killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel.

 

[Gameface]

Unfortunately Thriller straight up kicked Gameface's *** on that one.

There was absolutely no need to go all "influential insider" conspiracy theory on why Hatch won.

I was stating why I don't vote in local politics, because my voice is drowned out by a larger dominant culture. Where's the conspiracy?

 

[Gameface]

I thought you felt no need to talk to me more? Interesting.

post #3

post #5

post #33

You're right... You're absolutely right. You weren't suggesting the election was rigged or that the LDS church influenced voters to vote one candidate in or another.

Jeez....

Just admit you were merely taking a cheap shot at the LDS church and really had no proof of it and no idea of what the hell you were talking about. If you consider calling you out and asking you to prove your outrageous statements as "neener-neener" or "gotcha" questions, then that's just tough. Provide a fact or two. Explain how the LDS church helped Hatch win. Do SOMETHING other than complain about "personal attacks" and running away. If you feel this conversation is moving in circles it's because you provide no new information or insight. Again, I ask, what specifically did the LDS Church influence, help, rig, whatever, to get Hatch in?

If you're offended by being asked to defend your offensive statements or are offended when someone challenges you, then you need to look inward first. Perhaps *gasp* you shouldn't make ridiculous statements thus provoking responses from people who are much more informed than you.

Bye bye now

You posted several quotes from me, none of which claim anything was rigged. I'm disillusioned in regards to politics in general and local politics because it seems things are pretty one-sided. They aren't one sided because anyone is doing anything nefarious that I have any specific knowledge of. They are one-sided because there is a dominate cultural influence in this state. Within that culture there are people with a lot of influence, whom I suppose make a lot of the decisions behind closed doors (that's an assumption I'm making and I have no intention to provide proof, as I have none. I admit that upfront and have never done any differently) before offering the people the chance to affirm them. As I'm out of the loop and out numbered I take my ball and go home (don't vote). You trying to turn my statement into something else does not bind me to your assertions about what I'm saying.

 

[The Thriller]

You posted several quotes from me, none of which claim anything was rigged.

And yet you not so cleverly omitted the fact that I said:

Again, I ask, what specifically did the LDS Church influence, help, rig, whatever, to get Hatch in?

Within that culture there are people with a lot of influence, whom I suppose make a lot of the decisions behind closed doors (that's an assumption I'm making and I have no intention to provide proof, as I have none.

Enough said.

Seriously, that explains it.

And many folks had assumptions that Jews had horns, Mormons baptized corpses, Women who could read were witches, etc.... Making assumptions without any proof or intentions of providing proof isn't exactly a good way to

A. Encourage civil or educated discussion
B. Prove any point other than you're an angry/bitter person who wishes to take cheap shots/promote an agenda/blow off steam.

And yet, you have the gall to call me naive and childish. Amazing.

 

[Gameface]

Which one do the power brokers running LDS corp. like better?

Here's a hint. Seniority in the senate matters.

This is probably my most offensive post and maybe what got your panties in a bunch.

The LDS church makes a lot of money, has a lot of power and controls local politics. They're good at it, so I assume they know how to play the game. The people running the church are by and large the people running local business. The people running the church are by and large the people running local politics. Take offense to that if you'd like.

Here's a few biased links, but it's all I could come up with after spending 30 seconds looking.

https://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon410.htm

https://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,483386,483813

 

[PearlWatson]

I was stating why I don't vote in local politics, because my voice is drowned out by a larger dominant culture. Where's the conspiracy?

Nice b.s. move from "power brokers" to "dominant culture."

You don't think there are power brokers within the LDS church who influence local politics?

I figure that whatever person gets support from the LDS church is going to win

Which one do the power brokers running LDS corp. like better?

 

[Gameface]

Again, I ask, what specifically did the LDS Church influence, help, rig, whatever, to get Hatch in?

I've addressed this three times. Let me sum it up again. I don't have any specifics. I never looked for any and I don't care to. I told you I didn't even know his challenger's name. I was never trying to prove that point.

Again, for the third or fourth time, I'm expressing why I don't vote... because I don't think it matters as the dominant culture will make the decisions and I'll live with the results.

You want to yell over and over that I'm trying to say something that I'm not saying. That doesn't mean I have to take the position you've handed me and defend it. I have no intention to defend it as it was never my position.

You want to "win" these arguments so badly, but I'm not arguing. What you've said about me is true. I have no proof. I'm not ashamed or embarrassed about that because my goal was to express why I don't vote. I've done that.

 

[Gameface]

Nice b.s. move from "power brokers" to "dominant culture."

OK, let's play elementary school.

Do you think there are powerful people inside the LDS church who have influence over local politics? Yes or no.

 

[The Thriller]

I really don't feel like arguing with someone who is merely looking to take cheap shots at a particular religion who relies on assumptions and has no intentions of providing proof. Only an idiot could imagine that type of discussion going anywhere.

 

[Gameface]

And in the interest of full disclosure and intellectual honesty I am resentful of the control I perceive the LDS church has over local politics. I'm not a fan of the LDS church or it's doctrine.

So quit trying to score points proving things I'm not denying.

 

[Gameface]

I really don't feel like arguing with someone who is merely looking to take cheap shots at a particular religion who relies on assumptions and has no intentions of providing proof. Only an idiot could imagine that type of discussion going anywhere.

Dude, I proved what I wanted to prove...My opinion, which I shared. End of ****ing story. I never wanted to discuss this with you and never set out to win any arguments. You put me on the defensive and I fell for it attempting to defend myself against your attacks. I should have just left it alone from the beginning, but you're such an arrogant jerk in the way you attack me I felt compelled to respond.

Besides that, we're way off from the thread topic and I apologize to the OP for that.

 

[PearlWatson]

OK, let's play elementary school.

Do you think there are powerful people inside the LDS church who have influence over local politics? Yes or no.

You mean these dudes?

Yes, I'm pretty sure it's that German guy who is running things locally with all the tithing monies and is in cahoots with Glenn Beck on a national political level.
They probably have code words in Sacrament Meeting to tell their followers which of the Mormons running they should vote for.

 

[PearlWatson]

Besides that, we're way off from the thread topic and I apologize to the OP for that.

Not really, but sadly you just apologized to the "arrogant jerk."

 

[Gameface]

I asked if there are people who have influence. You don't have to answer.

 

[PearlWatson]

I asked if there are people who have influence. You don't have to answer.

Can't it just be the German guy?