Now what?

[write4u]

There are so many options on the table and I think that KOC will take the one(s) that he feels will be the best one(s).

 

[theNBAnerd]

as much as i hate to say it, i think they're done with big moves.

i don't think raja gets traded. somebody said he'd get rolled into a CJ S&T, but honestly... even if a team wants to pay CJ enough money that they can't just sign him outright using their MLE (doubtful), it's even MORE unlikely that the same team would want to pay raja $3.3M.

i wish i could realistically say they were still actively looking at al scenarios, but i'm not sure. all hints are looking the other direction.

 

[theNBAnerd]

Evans will sign his option.
Millsap will receive an extension.
Raja Bell will be traded.
Not sure why ESPN Trade Checker, doesn't list Tinsley on the roster, but will him and no other moves (meaning no Evans) the roster is at 12.
Sign & trade AK47 for an exception and maybe a future pick.
Either Shan Foster or Kevin Murphy will make the roster (I think Murphy).

we can't S&T ak. that was a loophole that was closed with the new CBA. you can no longer S&T a player who was out of the league the previous season.

and no way foster makes the roster. this guy's rights are being used a la peter fehse.

 

[UGLI baby]

lololololololololololololol

 

[UGLI baby]

Many reps will be given when possible, Larry. ^^

 

[mellow]

Jazz still have 2 first round picks next year they will need to find roster spots for.

Expiring Al becomes GS #6 pick Cody Zeller Center from Indiana .
Expiring Watson & Tinsley becomes Coach Tinsley and #22 pick Phil Pressey pg from Miss.

 

[billyshelby]

as much as i hate to say it, i think they're done with big moves.

i don't think raja gets traded. somebody said he'd get rolled into a CJ S&T, but honestly... even if a team wants to pay CJ enough money that they can't just sign him outright using their MLE (doubtful), it's even MORE unlikely that the same team would want to pay raja $3.3M.

i wish i could realistically say they were still actively looking at al scenarios, but i'm not sure. all hints are looking the other direction.

S&T for CJ wouldn't have to be more than the MLE. An over the cap team that has already used their exceptions could use an S&T to acquire Miles (when they would not otherwise be able). The caveat is they have to send back contracts which presumably KOC doesn't want. However, non-guaranteed guys could be used to meet requirements and/or there may be a low dollar player out there that could suffice.

 

[theNBAnerd]

so let's say a team wants to give CJ less than the MLE but more than the min... let's say 3M. you're saying that the jazz, who DON'T want to bring back CJ at 3M and are trying to get rid of raja at 3.3M, would be OK bringing back some other guy they don't want for 4.2M (the minimum they'd have to take from an over-the-cap team in a deal for raja and CJ at that amount). how does it benefit us to take on 4.2M of garbage salary just to get rid of the 3.3M of garbage salary raja represents?

 

[NAOS]

I still say that something has to give in the front court. I think they're ****ing morons if they bring back all four guys (even though having four total is good practice). It's simple, we're better when Favors is on the floor and he needs more minutes. Kanter needs about 20mpg. The minutes don't add up.

Every GM in the NBA knows this, so they're gonna work every other option before they come get takeout at our restaurant. Al is not the top guy on any list, but he's on a lot of lists. I pray to the sweet baby Jesus he finds a new area code.

 

[HipHopAnonymous]

Raja WILL NOT be back. You can book that. I wouldn't be shocked to see Millsap or Jefferson moved either if they can get value for them.

 

[NAOS]

we have a few guys that are harping about Marvin's option for next year at $7.5 mil. Jefferson will make double that this year while holding back the development of the future that we're also heavily invested in. That said, I think we've been bitching about the wrong thing for the past 24 hours (all due respect). All eyes on Fats Domino (thanks NUMBERICA).

 

[theNBAnerd]

Raja WILL NOT be back. You can book that. I wouldn't be shocked to see Millsap or Jefferson moved either if they can get value for them.

oh he'll be gone, for sure... but probably not in a way that nets us anything of value. most likely scenario is that we amnesty him on july 17, but i'm supportive of keeping our options open until then.

 

[billyshelby]

I'm not talking about Raja. He has no value. I'm talking about a single S&T for CJ. At 100 + 50%, the Jazz could take back as little as 1.5 from a team paying CJ 3. That's totally feasible considering KOC would undoubtedly extract a 2nd (however worthless.)

The bigger stumbling block is probably the 3 year requirement. Not sure CJ would want to sign for 3 at 3, for example. His agent would probably advise him to take a shorter deal in the hope he can improve his stock and get a bigger deal in following seasons.

 

[Revolution 9]

Nothing more besides maybe letting Bell walk. KOC is making moves more than ever after Larry died, but he still has a limit.

Now I think we are set for next year. No Howard, no Bell, and most likely no CJ.

 

[theNBAnerd]

I'm not talking about Raja. He has no value. I'm talking about a single S&T for CJ. At 100 + 50%, the Jazz could take back as little as 1.5 from a team paying CJ 3. That's totally feasible considering KOC would undoubtedly extract a 2nd (however worthless.)

The bigger stumbling block is probably the 3 year requirement. Not sure CJ would want to sign for 3 at 3, for example. His agent would probably advise him to take a shorter deal in the hope he can improve his stock and get a bigger deal in following seasons.

1.5 wouldn't work to get CJ to 3. 1.5 x 150% +100,000 = 2,350,000

for Cj to make 3M, we'd have to send at least 1.94M.

 

[billyshelby]

1.5 wouldn't work to get CJ to 3. 1.5 x 150% +100,000 = 2,350,000

for Cj to make 3M, we'd have to send at least 1.94M.

Right, math error, but same point. The alternate to this is the deal NJ just worked for Evans where they acquired him with their TPE. But that involves new provisions of the CBA where Jersey can't go over 74 million payroll which I don't fully understand yet.

 

[theNBAnerd]

Right, math error, but same point. The alternate to this is the deal NJ just worked for Evans where they acquired him with their TPE. But that involves new provisions of the CBA where Jersey can't go over 74 million payroll which I don't fully understand yet.

right, it's the "apron" rules -- $4M over the tax threshold triggers a whole bunch of new rules.

but i'm not sure what any of that means to this conversation. how does the evans deal have anything to do with CJ.

 

[franklin]

Trade Kanter and filler for Rondo.
Acquire shooter with MLE.
Trade GSW pick and UTA 2013 1st for another stud wing.
Bench is deep.
Hope it's a championship contender.

 

[billyshelby]

right, it's the "apron" rules -- $4M over the tax threshold triggers a whole bunch of new rules.

but i'm not sure what any of that means to this conversation. how does the evans deal have anything to do with CJ.

Thanks, I'll look that up. Evans deal was an S&T. Jersey acquired him with their TPE and sent back a 2nd. It's just another way that CJ could be moved in an S&T. But the more likely way he'd go in an S&T would be with a team that was over the cap and had exhausted their exceptions. It would just come down to KOC getting something back -- either a player, non-guaranteed contracts (to prevent taking on salary), and presumably a 2nd.

 

[theNBAnerd]

ok now i get your point.

although the clippers didn't really get anything back there -- they got what is being called on twitter a "fake second rounder"... like when teams include the rights to a top-59 protected pick because they have to include something in a trade.

all it really did was generate a 1.6M (or so) trade exception for LAC to use. but i suppose if CJ is going to sign with another team, we might as well set it up that way, get the TPE (even if we'll never use it) and the other team saves an exception.