Question for Mormons

[NAOS]

Both my sons have more non-LDS friends than LDS friends. It's good and bad. But it can be all good as long as they're careful.

But I also think everyone has a breaking point. I don't think you can go hang out at a bar with your buddies every weekend and think you won't start drinking at some point.

humans are, by nature, weak. So, we must always be cautious.

This is, plain and simple, lame philosophy.

 

[JazzyD]

I am not Mormon however, my wife is. So me voting no was for her i guess. She grew up in a very LDS family and has now seen the light.

 

[CONAN]

humans are, by nature, weak. So, we must always be cautious.

This is, plain and simple, lame philosophy.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

humans are, by nature, weak. So, we must always be cautious.

This is, plain and simple, lame philosophy.

+ rep for the expert in lame philosophy.


Yes, I'm back to making bad jokes.

 

[NAOS]

lemme break it down.

Humans are not weak by nature.
Humans needn't be cautious first and foremost, but should love one another in self-sacrificing ways.

^this is creative and radical.

the other **** is paranoid, restrictive, and serves a coterie of paranoid power mongers.

Questions?

 

[YB85]

Both my sons have more non-LDS friends than LDS friends. It's good and bad. But it can be all good as long as they're careful.

Are they current on their vaccines? That non-LDS thing is going around and if they're not practicing safe friending, they might catch it. God forbid.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Are they current on their vaccines? That non-LDS thing is going around and if they're not practicing safe friending, they might catch it. God forbid.

This. Holy ****.

I understand what he's trying to say .. but yikes.

 

[CONAN]

Are they current on their vaccines? That non-LDS thing is going around and if they're not practicing safe friending, they might catch it. God forbid.

I wish there was a vaccine for that. Would make it easy.

 

[CONAN]

lemme break it down.

Humans are not weak by nature.
Humans needn't be cautious first and foremost, but should love one another in self-sacrificing ways.

^this is creative and radical.

the other **** is paranoid, restrictive, and serves a coterie of paranoid power mongers.

Questions?

No questions. I got the truth in the world of NAOS from the mouth of NAOS. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[babe]

Well, I wasn't exactly advocating going to hell and playing with the devil, to strip clubs and showing your buddies that you have self control by not touching, or saying you should spend a week at Octoberfest in Germany if you have had drinking issues in the past. Obviously there is individual discretion there. And since there isn't such thing as collective salvation, that individual discretion is of the utmost importance. There are certainly situations that I could be in that might easily trigger an old bad habit, whereas somebody else could think it was no big deal to be in that situation. And vice versa. Christianity forces you to look in the mirror though and learn your limits, so I was kind of assuming that those people would already be well versed in self.

The point was simply that people limit the amount of lives they can touch by discarding entire people and places that they find some element of to be undesirable, when in reality it wouldn't take a Herculean effort to be able to experience 95% of whatever those people and places offer and perhaps even do some good in those lives/communities and never be in spiritual jeopardy.


But back on topic, the standard Mormon male 25 and under crowd would answer this question like this..... Would I only marry Mormon? Yes, if she was hot enough. Would I marry a non-Mormon? Yes, if she was hot enough. The old dudes on Jazzfanz are ruining the poll.

yah. But I haven't voted yet on the poll, so I haven't skewed the results. I hope that wasn't a typo there,too. In self-defense, I am here on JazzFanz talking to the Great Unwashed Masses, whether baptized or not, and getting right down in the mud. . . . with no real concerns for the stink I might pick up. That's what does worry my wife, though.

Lets just say anybody with a different opinion on this from your call to fellowship the heathen and save their souls by marginally skirting their sins somehow really doesn't deserve to be called out as some kind of hypocrite, either.

I'm all for folks being able to make their own choices without submitting to some kind of political/religious correctness standard.

 

[franklin]

the Great Unwashed Masses, whether baptized or not

Not anymore. WhiskeyPriest and I baptized them all into the Catholic church during today's rain storm. This is legal and binding, sorry Conan.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I hate avoidance Christianity. Spiritual growth is supposed to empower you so you can go into the world and set an example. Wasn't there this Jesus guy that kind of thrived on putting himself in those situations? By all accounts, he liked going to parties with riffraff. Probably was even a bit of a jokester to some extent seeing how he was portrayed as well liked in those situations. I know some people that have that whole flee at the first sign of sin or whatever, but that's life. You have to be in different places and situations to set an example. You might not end up with a "The Hangover" type story to tell, but maybe your friend that you go to Vegas with does have the crazy stories and is ****ing up his life in the process, wakes up in the same hotel room as you and sees how easily you got up, grabbed a good breakfast, went to the gym, got a little work in, and transitioned into the next day flawlessly will see that maybe controlled fun is the better route to live life or whatever your trying to get across in any given situation.

Works a hell of a lot better than Fire breathing Christianity or avoidance Christianity.

I just wanted to comment on this portion.
Yes he did not shy away from "sinners", and yet he would call them to repentance.
He did not hang out with them and conform to their lifestyle.
He was comfortable around them and called on them to change themselves.

I say this because I got the impression the point was it should be okay to hang out with "sinners" and do things with them and joke around and all that with them. This is only part of the story.

Another point is that they would seek out Christ and come to him. He did not go to them where they would do their thing.

2 important points imo... and fyi.

ok, carry on.

 

[NAOS]

I just wanted to comment on this portion.
It is alleged that he did not shy away from "sinners", and yet he would call them to repentance.
Allegedly, He did not hang out with them and conform to their lifestyle.
Allegedly, He was comfortable around them and called on them to change themselves.

...

Another point is that allegedly they would seek out Christ and come to him. Allegedly, He did not go to them where they would do their thing.

2 important points imo... and fyi.

ok, carry on.

now you can carry on.

 

[Bronco70]

I know a lot of mormons (many in my own ward) that (by all appearances) stick to the letter of the law and are generally considered locks for the celestial kingdom.

I'm pretty sure I don't want to spend eternity with these people.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I know a lot of mormons (many in my own ward) that (by all appearances) stick to the letter of the law and are generally considered locks for the celestial kingdom.

I'm pretty sure I don't want to spend eternity with these people.

Good thing it has more to do with what's really inside than appearances. We don't know what goes on in people's personal lives, and luckily we won't be the one's judging that. Who we are has to run deeper than appearance. I also think there are good people out there doing good, and doing their best to not have the attention drawn to them.

Who cares what people think about you.... what matters is what you think of yourself, and who you are on the inside.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I just wanted to comment on this portion.
Yes he did not shy away from "sinners", and yet he would call them to repentance.
He did not hang out with them and conform to their lifestyle.
He was comfortable around them and called on them to change themselves.

I say this because I got the impression the point was it should be okay to hang out with "sinners" and do things with them and joke around and all that with them. This is only part of the story.

Another point is that they would seek out Christ and come to him. He did not go to them where they would do their thing.

2 important points imo... and fyi.

ok, carry on.

now you can carry on.

Fixed back... and I will add this note. NewAnonymityOldSkeptic does not believe it, and that is just fine.
Go back into your faithproof foxhole and enjoy yourself.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Both my sons have more non-LDS friends than LDS friends. It's good and bad. But it can be all good as long as they're careful.

But I also think everyone has a breaking point. I don't think you can go hang out at a bar with your buddies every weekend and think you won't start drinking at some point.

Been hanging with friends on weekends every week since grade ten. 90% of the time they're all drinking, and Im the only sober one. Same with smoking- nearly all of my friends have tried weed, cigarettes, and I haven't tried neither. I just think that the breaking point comes down to what your perception of this moral is. Things like this come down much more to your sons behaviour, as opposed to trying to get him to avoid these "environments". Kids will always stumble into these sorts of environments- simply avoiding them won't help. Comes down much more to education from the parents, coupled with what the child him/herself thinks.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I just wanted to comment on this portion.
Yes he did not shy away from "sinners", and yet he would call them to repentance.
He did not hang out with them and conform to their lifestyle.
He was comfortable around them and called on them to change themselves.

I say this because I got the impression the point was it should be okay to hang out with "sinners" and do things with them and joke around and all that with them. This is only part of the story.

Another point is that they would seek out Christ and come to him. He did not go to them where they would do their thing.

2 important points imo... and fyi.

ok, carry on.

I thought this was a good post, spazz. I kind of disagree with what is bolded, but it's certainly not debating and ruining an otherwise solid message.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Been hanging with friends on weekends every week since grade ten. 90% of the time they're all drinking, and Im the only sober one. Same with smoking- nearly all of my friends have tried weed, cigarettes, and I haven't tried neither. I just think that the breaking point comes down to what your perception of this moral is. Things like this come down much more to your sons behaviour, as opposed to trying to get him to avoid these "environments". Kids will always stumble into these sorts of environments- simply avoiding them won't help. Comes down much more to education from the parents, coupled with what the child him/herself thinks.

Good for you, Dala. Unfortunately, most people lack the fortitude to remain strong to their beliefs under your same circumstances.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Good for you, Dala. Unfortunately, most people lack the fortitude to remain strong to their beliefs under your same circumstances.

This almost sounds sarcastic.