CONAN
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Definitely some angry dudes in here.
Question for Mormons
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CONAN
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To be fair those are pretty personal questions.
Darkwing Duck
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How do you know? Have you actually asked them?
Can I just end this thread with the following true statement, from my mind to my fingertips, into your eyes and mind; and lo, The Trout sayeth:
We will all be snickering and pointing, but in the end, we'll put a hand down and welcome you into the light. (that's how we role, yo)
We will all be snickering and pointing, but in the end, we'll put a hand down and welcome you into the light. (that's how we role, yo)
CONAN
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No I haven't. Definitely an assumption. I got no problem calling it that.
You can say whatever you'd like about him. I know him pretty dang well and can tell you how accurate you are or aren't. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on it.
TheSilencer1313
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This thread just isn't meaningful enough.
It's just not something I come to expect out of the typical bishop is all. There's a stigma that goes with poker & being around people drinking is often frowned upon. I grew up in the Utah County Bubble and am more used to LDS folks who would "feel the dark spirit" in GF's basement than I am to the kind who are less uptight about stuff like this. For example, a good chunk of my family won't step a foot on the Las Vegas strip because it feels sinful to them.
As to your father, I wouldn't have anything but good things to say about him. He's the good natured type of person that everyone likes to be around. My comment was directed more toward LDS stereotypes and wasn't really about your father. I could have inserted you or Archie or Conan if he were to ever show up and the point would essentially be the same.
p.s. I hope he busts you reading this at work.
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Duck Rodgers
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It's just not something I come to expect out of the typical bishop is all. There's a stigma that goes with poker & being around people drinking is often frowned upon. I grew up in the Utah County Bubble and am more used to LDS folks who would "feel the dark spirit" in GF's basement than I am to the kind who are less uptight about stuff like this. For example, a good chunk of my family won't step a foot on the Las Vegas strip because it feels sinful to them.
As to your father, I wouldn't have anything but good things to say about him. He's the good natured type of person that everyone likes to be around. My comment was directed more toward LDS stereotypes and wasn't really about your father. I could have inserted you or Archie or Conan if he were to ever show up and the point would essentially be the same.
p.s. I hope he busts you reading this at work.
I hate avoidance Christianity. Spiritual growth is supposed to empower you so you can go into the world and set an example. Wasn't there this Jesus guy that kind of thrived on putting himself in those situations? By all accounts, he liked going to parties with riffraff. Probably was even a bit of a jokester to some extent seeing how he was portrayed as well liked in those situations. I know some people that have that whole flee at the first sign of sin or whatever, but that's life. You have to be in different places and situations to set an example. You might not end up with a "The Hangover" type story to tell, but maybe your friend that you go to Vegas with does have the crazy stories and is ****ing up his life in the process, wakes up in the same hotel room as you and sees how easily you got up, grabbed a good breakfast, went to the gym, got a little work in, and transitioned into the next day flawlessly will see that maybe controlled fun is the better route to live life or whatever your trying to get across in any given situation.
Works a hell of a lot better than Fire breathing Christianity or avoidance Christianity.
Gyp Rosetti
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You also roll. Fatass.
Arguing over anything only gets yo mad or dead. I like to discuss but have no use for grandstanding or arguing about it.
Excellent post. Amen.
I think the avoidance of being around any sin too easily leads to an over-inflated view of self. We're all sinners and to think we can outrun other's that are sinning is to fail to look within/at ourselves. I have tolerance for other religions (as I respect their views/choices) but I can't stand the follower of ANY religion (including my own) that holds themselves as esteemed and elite based on either works or avoidance of sin. If you are doing it for purely the right reasons and truly believe in what you profess, your heart would be broken for those that lack your peace in faith .. not look down your nose and see them as pitiful beings.
Rep for Duck.
CONAN
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Definitely good to avoid stuff. I don't think it's a healthy mindset to believe your faith can handle any situation. But I don't think that means live in a bubble either.
I wouldn't feel bad about playing poker with Gameface once every while. If it was all the time I don't think that's healthy. And what if you're playing for pennies. Or thousands?
Tough balance.
I wouldn't feel bad about playing poker with Gameface once every while. If it was all the time I don't think that's healthy. And what if you're playing for pennies. Or thousands?
Tough balance.
Being in the world, but not of the world. You can't avoid everything you don't want to do or disagree with. But I agree with you Conan in that you should still use caution in the situations you put yourself in.
I'm here to speak a word of praise for "fire-breathing christianity" and every damned fool who has come to recognize himself as such, and decided to just stay the hell away from situations that will bring him down.
Perhaps some of you really can walk that high wire blindfolded, but for everyone who can there's ten derelicts like me who can't, and who need to be told so.
Perhaps some of you really can walk that high wire blindfolded, but for everyone who can there's ten derelicts like me who can't, and who need to be told so.
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Duck Rodgers
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Well, I wasn't exactly advocating going to hell and playing with the devil, to strip clubs and showing your buddies that you have self control by not touching, or saying you should spend a week at Octoberfest in Germany if you have had drinking issues in the past. Obviously there is individual discretion there. And since there isn't such thing as collective salvation, that individual discretion is of the utmost importance. There are certainly situations that I could be in that might easily trigger an old bad habit, whereas somebody else could think it was no big deal to be in that situation. And vice versa. Christianity forces you to look in the mirror though and learn your limits, so I was kind of assuming that those people would already be well versed in self.
The point was simply that people limit the amount of lives they can touch by discarding entire people and places that they find some element of to be undesirable, when in reality it wouldn't take a Herculean effort to be able to experience 95% of whatever those people and places offer and perhaps even do some good in those lives/communities and never be in spiritual jeopardy.
But back on topic, the standard Mormon male 25 and under crowd would answer this question like this..... Would I only marry Mormon? Yes, if she was hot enough. Would I marry a non-Mormon? Yes, if she was hot enough. The old dudes on Jazzfanz are ruining the poll.
The point was simply that people limit the amount of lives they can touch by discarding entire people and places that they find some element of to be undesirable, when in reality it wouldn't take a Herculean effort to be able to experience 95% of whatever those people and places offer and perhaps even do some good in those lives/communities and never be in spiritual jeopardy.
But back on topic, the standard Mormon male 25 and under crowd would answer this question like this..... Would I only marry Mormon? Yes, if she was hot enough. Would I marry a non-Mormon? Yes, if she was hot enough. The old dudes on Jazzfanz are ruining the poll.
CONAN
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This
CONAN
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Both my sons have more non-LDS friends than LDS friends. It's good and bad. But it can be all good as long as they're careful.
But I also think everyone has a breaking point. I don't think you can go hang out at a bar with your buddies every weekend and think you won't start drinking at some point.