Question for Mormons

[NAOS]

Im not saying your point is wrong, since I obviously have no way of disproving it. Rather, I am simply stating that there are better ways for you to communicate your ideas, without making it seem like you're belittling the opinions of others.

I think we all need to check in with why it was so incredibly alarming to speak about what Jesus allegedly did. Is the power of his message totally rocked by the idea that book itself must be pure? Is the Christian psyche that fragile?

I think there is a lot to learn by looking at Jesus' life and example. I think there is a good chance the book doesn't capture it. How could it? I couldn't write a book about Dalamon and capture his essence. How could I hope to do otherwise for the alleged son of God?

Most of the words in the bible were written hundreds of years after the events. It's just common sense to put the word 'alleged' in front of recapitulations of those things.

 

[Deleted member 848]

oh, ok. So you were comparing your experiences on a message board with growing up in a place.

Hmm??

Posts like this tend to work against you when you're trying to have educational religious discourse with people who have beliefs different to yours. I know I tend to get along with most of the resident Mo's perfectly fine, despite being far from one.

grow up 30+ years ago in the suburbs of SLC when you are the only non-mormon. When you accomplish that, get back to me.

Alberta is nowhere near the island that SLC was/is. thxthough

No where did I even try to compare my experiences on a message board with real life. All i am saying is that if I can have god-spirited discussion with posters like Spazz, Trout, cat and Bronco, then so can you. Especially seeing as you should be much more mature than a 18 year old first year college student.

Grew up in a German Bilingual school for twelve years, and was continuously picked on for being the only non-Christian kid with non-German parents in the school. Rumors were spread (and I was picked on a lot for it) about my uncle being one of the plane operators who crashed the plane into the WTC during 9/11. It might not have been as bad as SLC (since I never lived there, so I cannot compare), but you shouldn't assume that my life is much much easier than yours. High School was probably the first time where I felt comfortable embracing my faith in class, as opposed to choosing to stick to singing Christmas Carols and stuff, out of fear from getting bullied.

^ purpose of this post was because I was under the impression that you seemed to challenge my beliefs, by saying that I had no idea what it was like to hold a minority religious belief in a sometimes hostile environment. Thats all.

 

[NAOS]

So, you think it's asinine to believe that a man-like creator made the universe. Good for you. Stop telling people how wrong and stupid they are because they believe it.

is this backseat moderating?

You've negg'd me for what I did. You can be done now. I certainly won't listen to your prescriptions.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think we all need to check in with why it was so incredibly alarming to speak about what Jesus allegedly did. Is the power of his message totally rocked by the idea that book itself must be pure? Is the Christian psyche that fragile?

I think there is a lot to learn by looking at Jesus' life and example. I think there is a good chance the book doesn't capture it. How could it? I couldn't write a book about Dalamon and capture his essence. How could I hope to do otherwise for the alleged son of God?

Most of the words in the bible were written hundreds of years after the events. It's just common sense to put the word 'alleged' in front of recapitulations of those things.

I didn't take offense to your 'allegedly' stunt. I kind of thought it was funny.

I tried to say this in another post, but where I have a problem is;

- When Christians act like elitist human beings because they believe in God
- When non-believers act like elitists because they don't believe in God

 

[TroutBum]

I talked down to Conan. We have a history of talking smack. But go ahead and assume that is some general characteristic I have.

Don't you worry, I will. Thanks for the go-ahead though.

And, thanks for getting your panties in a giant wad when I made a comment implying that the Bible might not be the ABSOLUTELY LITERAL, WORD-FOR-WORD RECOUNTING OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN JESUS' LIFE. Gosh, what a thing to do.

FWIW, I think the Bible is a waste of paper. It would be one thing if there were hot Elvish women in it, but unfortunately, it's dominated by old sweaty guys with beards.

 

[NAOS]

Hmm??





No where did I even try to compare my experiences on a message board with real life. All i am saying is that if I can have god-spirited discussion with posters like Spazz, Trout, cat and Bronco, then so can you. Especially seeing as you should be much more mature than a 18 year old first year college student.





^ purpose of this post was because I was under the impression that you seemed to challenge my beliefs, by saying that I had no idea what it was like to hold a minority religious belief in a sometimes hostile environment. Thats all.

I apparently crossed a big line when I wanted to call the smallest shred of doubt to the literal reading of the Bible. If that triggers this kind of fallout, then what kind of rarified space is there for respect? When it is that easy to speak out of line, then it's not the squeaking wheel that's the problem.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I didn't take offense to your 'allegedly' stunt. I kind of thought it was funny.

I tried to say this in another post, but where I have a problem is;

- When Christians act like elitist human beings because they believe in God
- When non-believers act like elitists because they don't believe in God

For the record, I don't act like an elitist for either reason ... I just am elite.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I think we all need to check in with why it was so incredibly alarming to speak about what Jesus allegedly did. Is the power of his message totally rocked by the idea that book itself must be pure? Is the Christian psyche that fragile?

I think there is a lot to learn by looking at Jesus' life and example. I think there is a good chance the book doesn't capture it. How could it? I couldn't write a book about Dalamon and capture his essence. How could I hope to do otherwise for the alleged son of God?

Most of the words in the bible were written hundreds of years after the events. It's just common sense to put the word 'alleged' in front of recapitulations of those things.

Look, I completely understand your points, and I can fathom some of the reasons as to why you believe in this notion of Christian-faith, but there are better ways to try and communicate these ideas, as opposed to putting "alleged" before every single point a Christian makes. If its not something you'll decide to take note of now, I would guess that you'll change it at some point, since you really seem like not too bad of a guy.

 

[NAOS]

I tried to say this in another post, but where I have a problem is;

- When Christians act like elitist human beings because they believe in God
- When non-believers act like elitists because they don't believe in God

^ agreed ^

 

[Deleted member 848]

Personally, I would never take offense to a post of your nature (I am not one that is easily offended), but Im simply trying to shed some insight as to why some seem to be harping on ya. You're a smart guy and it seems like you mean well, so I figured that I would try to help and clarify.

 

[NAOS]

Look, I completely understand your points, and I can fathom some of the reasons as to why you believe in this notion of Christian-faith, but there are better ways to try and communicate these ideas, as opposed to putting "alleged" before every single point a Christian makes. If its not something you'll decide to take note of now, I would guess that you'll change it at some point, since you really seem like not too bad of a guy.

I apparently crossed a big line when I wanted to call the smallest shred of doubt to the literal reading of the Bible. If that triggers this kind of fallout, then what kind of rarified space is there for respect? When it is that easy to speak out of line, then it's not the squeaking wheel that's the problem.

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[TroutBum]

For the record, I don't act like an elitist for either reason ... I just am elite.

Tried to rep you (although I'm loath to do it), but I must spread my seed further amongst my people.

 

[TroutBum]

I'd actually be on board to buy NAOS a premium membership just so he can have the custom title: "Victim"

 

[Deleted member 848]

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Nope, you crossed a big line when you make posts like

what about the 300 posts before that one which all assumed a man-like creator of the universe? Isn't it conceivable that assumption sounds asinine?

where you're calling a persons assumption 'utterly or completely foolish', which is what asinine means by definition (I also don't quite understand why the a and the s where italicized- I feel like that doesn't help your cause either).

Simply calling a persons views illogical is both more accurate, and less disrespectful

 

[NAOS]

I just did a quick scan through the last 6 or 7 pages of this thread. Trout claims I call believers "stupid". I can't find this.

This is all quite the hyper reaction to "allegedly".

 

[NAOS]

Nope, you crossed a big line when you make posts like


where you're calling a persons assumption 'utterly or completely foolish', which is what asinine means by definition (I also don't quite understand why the a and the s where italicized- I feel like that doesn't help your cause either).

Simply calling a persons views illogical is both more accurate, and less disrespectful

the as was a play on ***, which was your word.

 

[TroutBum]

the as was a play on ***, which was your word.

Wow, a condescending prick AND a comedian! What a winning combo. Who's wang did you have to stroke in your atheist heaven to get so lucky?

 

[Dr. Jones]

the as was a play on ***, which was your word.

Serious question NAOS .. sincere.

Would you say that you do not believe in God because of religious BS that was a turn off .. or just that it's completely illogical .. or both?

Also, do you feel it would be intellectually dumbed-down of you to ever claim God exists?

 

[Deleted member 848]

the as was a play on ***, which was your word.

So when I make a post like this

I think placing the word allegedly intentionally several times, in bold, in a persons post can come across as quite condescending, especially when coupled with the "now you can continue" remark. There are better ways to communicate your viewpoints, without (accidentally, from what I can tell) coming across as an ***.

you feel like it gives you the freedom to belittle the viewpoints of others, referring to them as completely foolish, despite the fact that my post was relatively polite?

 

[NAOS]

So when I make a post like this




you feel like it gives you the freedom to belittle the viewpoints of others, referring to them as completely foolish, despite the fact that my post was relatively polite?

you were saying I came across like an ***. I implied that 300 posts of insider-ish assumptions about the nature of God could conceivably end up sounding ***-like. Am I wrong?