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Who had the better season

Who had the better season

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NUMBERICA said:
Nice deflection.

Jefferson doesn't play winning basketball and is in the way of moving forward, Kanter or not. I didn't want him before he came here, and he's actually worse than I thought he was.
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That's your angry hypothesis. Do you believe saying it over and over will make it true? What's the magic number? You didn't stop at 1000 Jefferson hate mongering posts.

BTW, Jefferson had a terrible supporting cast in Minnesota and carried a Jazz team that belonged in the lottery into the playoffs. But we know you won't let facts get in the way of what you see on the telly.
 
I and most people. The '10-'11 Jazz offensive efficiency and production - including Al's +/- (up to the point that it broke, at least) - should tell everyone everything they need to know. But whatever, time will tell. My crystal ball says that the longest Jefferson is around is until June 30th 2013.

I'm ready to move on now, though.
 
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please don't stop, ladies.
 
FWIW, Im still surprised with people who use +/- as a metric to analyze the worth of a player. Its almost as pointless as that PER nonsense.
 
dalamon said:
FWIW, Im still surprised with people who use +/- as a metric to analyze the worth of a player. Its almost as pointless as that PER nonsense.
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They're indicators that rely on other indicators. +/- is especially reliant on context as well. The context is that the Jazz were a bad team when they tried to run a real system with Al. They have since given up running a real offense, even though Al has improved his passing.
 
NUMBERICA said:
They're indicators that rely on other indicators. +/- is especially reliant on context as well. The context is that the Jazz were a bad team when they tried to run a real system with Al. They have since given up running a real offense, even though Al has improved his passing.
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Correlation does not imply causation. Probably my biggest gripe with indicators like these, is that people can tailor the context according to what they want to be verified statistically.
 
dalamon said:
Correlation does not imply causation. Probably my biggest gripe with indicators like these, is that people can tailor the context according to what they want to be verified statistically.
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I still hear you rapping .. some folk, muslim, song. Please don't try to post on the adult board.
 
PKM said:
I still hear you rapping .. some folk, muslim, song. Please don't try to post on the adult board.
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*yawn*


Is this really all you've got? How about you really join the big boys, and you comment on the point that I actually made ;)
 
Okay .. you said nothing. You tried to say that nothing means nothing equals nothing, I think. C'mon bra (and by 'bra' I mean pre-med student), please add something other than grandiose bull****.
 
dalamon said:
FWIW, Im still surprised with people who use +/- as a metric to analyze the worth of a player. Its almost as pointless as that PER nonsense.
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You don't get it. Numberica needs you to praise him for figuring out that a future Hall of Famer is better than Jefferson and isn't gooing to stop until you do.

Anyone who didn't find those stats at least slightly intriguing is asleep and/or looking for an excuse to ruin threads by spewing Jefferson hate. It's a religion.
 
PKM said:
Okay .. you said nothing. You tried to say that nothing means nothing equals nothing, I think. C'mon bra (and by 'bra' I mean pre-med student), please add something other than grandiose bull****.
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This is what you gathered from my post?? Gods, someone needs to fix the 'Tuck education system.
 
I would rather had Kenneth Faried than Enes Kanter. Imagine Utahs 4 and 5 spot Faired and Millsap at the 4 with Jefferson and Favors(I know he plays the 4 but you could move him easily). And then add Fredette. Fredettes shooting plus Farieds rebounding would be lethal
 
franklin said:
Anyone who didn't find those stats at least slightly intriguing is asleep and/or looking for an excuse to ruin threads by spewing Jefferson hate. It's a religion.
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You ruined your own thread by comparing an apple that's half-eaten to an orange. At least try to find analogous players, not all-universe defensive players that ALSO put up good numbers compared to Big Molasses.
 
I voted for player A (Garnett I think) because of his assist totals. In an ironic twist (not really), that is exactly what is wrong with Al's game, he doesn't pass the ball nearly enough to be a Jazz post player.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Nice deflection.

Jefferson doesn't play winning basketball and is in the way of moving forward, Kanter or not. I didn't want him before he came here, and he's actually worse than I thought he was.
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Deflection? Please, Angry.

You assumed this thread into something it was never meant to be. Bravo on creating yet another stage to spew your never ending m.o. from.
 
franklin said:
Player A: 49.7% fg, 76% ft, 4.95 fta's, 11.8rpg, 5.0apg w/ 3.31 to's, 1.6bpg, 22.9ppg in 40 mpg
Player B: 49.7% fg, 74% ft, 5.04 fta's, 11.0rpg, 1.6apg w/ 1.84 to's, 1.7bpg, 23.1ppg in 36.7 mpg

Here's Player C for fun: 47.6% fg, 83% ft, 6.55 fta's, 12.8rpg, 4.1apg w/ 2.70 to's, 1.7bpg, 22.4ppg in 39.4 mpg
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You can't possibly make a determination without more information. How successful were they in clutch situatiosn? How successful was their team? What was the talent level around them? What was their role on the team? How successful were they at both ends of the court? A player's ability to defend goes far beyond steals and blocks. Can you accurately quantify a player's help defense, pick&roll defense, leadership, toughness, ability to inspire his teammates and competitive greatness with just fantasy basketball stat categories?

Without reading through all the posts, I think most here are aware that Al Jefferson puts up impressive statistics...so have alot of talented players over the years such as Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Glenn Robinson, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Juwan Howard, Antoine Walker...but as Jazz fans first, we're more interested the the overall success of our franchise than the statistical success of an individual player. The argument isn't if Al can produce impressive numbers - it's if Al's presence in a leading role is best for the future of the Utah Jazz.
 
vslice02 said:
You can't possibly make a determination without more information. How successful were they in clutch situatiosn? How successful was their team? What was the talent level around them? What was their role on the team? How successful were they at both ends of the court? A player's ability to defend goes far beyond steals and blocks. Can you accurately quantify a player's help defense, pick&roll defense, leadership, toughness, ability to inspire his teammates and competitive greatness with just fantasy basketball stat categories?

Without reading through all the posts, I think most here are aware that Al Jefferson puts up impressive statistics...so have alot of talented players over the years such as Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Glenn Robinson, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Juwan Howard, Antoine Walker...but as Jazz fans first, we're more interested the the overall success of our franchise than the statistical success of an individual player. The argument isn't if Al can produce impressive numbers - it's if Al's presence in a leading role is best for the future of the Utah Jazz.
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Y U so angry, bro?
 
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