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What do Jazzfanz do professionally (...assuming they have jobs) ?

nightmare3983 said:
I was actually looking at that the other day. I think I'll be better off staying where I am for a couple of more years before I seriously pursue something else.
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Yeah if I get tired of this entertainment stuff I definitely want to pursue something in sports. Luckily I have so many sports teams in LA...that NBA site is great though, I do wonder how many people apply, I imagine less than you think.
 
write4u said:
We (Drs and patients) need to get off the pharmaceutical drug treadmill and starting looking at naturopathic medicine. Not only is it much cheaper but there are few side effects and they even in some cases work better. We also need to put the emphasis on good nutrition and proper eating to stop the development of degenerative diseases before they start.
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Every doctor agrees with good nutrition.

Naturopathic medicine is indeed cheaper and has fewer side effects. That's because no actual medicine is being used. Water also has no side effects, but no one calls water medicine. No side effects are the result of no effects.

natruopathic medicines work great for non-existent diseases, though. If you have pretend migraines, pretend cancer, or pretend asthma, save yourself some money. If you have real migraines, real cancer, or real asthma, get real medicine.
 
One Brow said:
Every doctor agrees with good nutrition.

Naturopathic medicine is indeed cheaper and has fewer side effects. That's because no actual medicine is being used. Water also has no side effects, but no one calls water medicine. No side effects are the result of no effects.

natruopathic medicines work great for non-existent diseases, though. If you have pretend migraines, pretend cancer, or pretend asthma, save yourself some money. If you have real migraines, real cancer, or real asthma, get real medicine.
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Statements like these are quite foolish to make, in all honesty.

I have a very, very long list of relatives who have cured themselves of various illnesses, including three immediate ones who suffered from cancer (breast, sarcoma, and GCT). The three aforementioned relatives (grandma, and a uncle each from both sides of my family) all gave up on chemo, radiation and the like, and pursued alternative therapies encompassed by naturopathy instead.

Any person who completely dismisses any therapies that have time and time-again shown to at the very least aid a person suffering from a chronic illness, is simply being either naive, or intellectually-dishonest-- especially seeing as I know that you do not work in this field, and likely haven't read nearly as many published medical journals pertaining to this field than I have. Sometimes the benefits of naturopathy CAN be exaggerated, and I still value our current medical system (in some regards), and believe that an approach that can combine the schools-of-thought of both treatments is probably the best approach that we could take. It is certainly more risky to do one without the other, IMO
 
dalamon said:
Statements like these are quite foolish to make, in all honesty.
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Reality is never foolish.

dalamon said:
I have a very, very long list of relatives who have cured themselves of various illnesses, including three immediate ones who suffered from cancer (breast, sarcoma, and GCT). The three aforementioned relatives (grandma, and a uncle each from both sides of my family) all gave up on chemo, radiation and the like, and pursued alternative therapies encompassed by naturopathy instead.
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You can't give up on something you don't start. One of the most common types of alternative health testimonials is the person who has their cancer removed by surgery/radiation/etc., find the treatments to prevent recurrence too onerous, takes up woo, and then says the woo cured the cancer. No, the woo did not cure the cancer. The initial treatments cured the cancer.

dalamon said:
Any person who completely dismisses any therapies that have time and time-again shown to at the very least aid a person suffering from a chronic illness, is simply being either naive, or intellectually-dishonest-- especially seeing as I know that you do not work in this field, and likely haven't read nearly as many published medical journals pertaining to this field than I have.
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Great. Please five or so medical articles from respected, peer-review journals that use large sample sizes (or similarly robust methodology) that show a differential five-year survival rate between people that use naturopathy and those that do not.

dalamon said:
Sometimes the benefits of naturopathy CAN be exaggerated, and I still value our current medical system (in some regards), and believe that an approach that can combine the schools-of-thought of both treatments is probably the best approach that we could take. It is certainly more risky to do one without the other, IMO
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It's also a question of resources. If your resources are unlimited, by all measue opt for the .0000000001% change that magic water really does something. On the other hand, if resources are limited, you'll get more benefit from one chemotherapy session than from 200 naturopathy sessions. My insurance is through Blue Cross. It does not cover naturopathy. Why do you think an health insurance company, whose primary motive is financial, feels it is not worthwhile to cover the much cheaper therapies of naturopaths, and instead pays the the more expensive therapies?
 
One Brow said:
Reality is never foolish.



You can't give up on something you don't start. One of the most common types of alternative health testimonials is the person who has their cancer removed by surgery/radiation/etc., find the treatments to prevent recurrence too onerous, takes up woo, and then says the woo cured the cancer. No, the woo did not cure the cancer. The initial treatments cured the cancer.



Great. Please five or so medical articles from respected, peer-review journals that use large sample sizes (or similarly robust methodology) that show a differential five-year survival rate between people that use naturopathy and those that do not.



It's also a question of resources. If your resources are unlimited, by all measue opt for the .0000000001% change that magic water really does something. On the other hand, if resources are limited, you'll get more benefit from one chemotherapy session than from 200 naturopathy sessions. My insurance is through Blue Cross. It does not cover naturopathy. Why do you think an health insurance company, whose primary motive is financial, feels it is not worthwhile to cover the much cheaper therapies of naturopaths, and instead pays the the more expensive therapies?
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A few things I will point out in advance to a larger post I will craft once I have access to a computer, and not just my phone (currently on vacation):


- your blue cross insurance "argument" is an amusing one, because tens of other developed nations have naturopathy, homeopathy and other alternative therapies nearly COMPLETELY covered under healthcare (mine-included). Nice try though.
- my resources are the online medical libraries that I have access to as a premed student at my local university, so obviously they're the Creme de la creme I'll see if I remember to link certain studies to you, but again I don't really have time over the next few days.
- your blanket statement about testimonials is again, awfully naive. My uncle was told to have his arm amputated, and undergo three rounds of chemo, ontop of radiation. He said no to it all, and went to a naturopath instead. 2 years later, he had his oncologist announce him as a "medical-miracle" who's cancer completely subsided. Dont make such general assumptions on testimonials.
 
dalamon said:
A few things I will point out in advance to a larger post I will craft once I have access to a computer, and not just my phone (currently on vacation):


- your blue cross insurance "argument" is an amusing one, because tens of other developed nations have naturopathy, homeopathy and other alternative therapies nearly COMPLETELY covered under healthcare (mine-included). Nice try though.
- my resources are the online medical libraries that I have access to as a premed student at my local university, so obviously they're the Creme de la creme I'll see if I remember to link certain studies to you, but again I don't really have time over the next few days.
- your blanket statement about testimonials is again, awfully naive. My uncle was told to have his arm amputated, and undergo three rounds of chemo, ontop of radiation. He said no to it all, and went to a naturopath instead. 2 years later, he had his oncologist announce him as a "medical-miracle" who's cancer completely subsided. Dont make such general assumptions on testimonials.
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dal, I'm not part of this discussion but I just had to chip in here, about homeopathy. I don't know which developed countries/nations cover the homeopathic therapies or pharmatics under healthcare but I know for sure that the homeopathy is one of the biggest charlatanries of the modern times.

I admit it's not that hard to believe if even some developed countries repute it as a legit treatment way, when you consider the huge capital and business over it. But it would be sad to me to think, if a medic student believed in that ****!
 
Enes, did I read somewhere that you've been working and that's why you haven't been on the board as much lately?
 
nightmare3983 said:
Enes, did I read somewhere that you've been working and that's why you haven't been on the board as much lately?
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Yeah, I made an unofficial agreement(shhh please) with my internship/probation place for the summer. I'm trying to save up for my further education. I especially want to go to a university in Canada and find dal for a one on one basketball game or eat some Canadian doner in the meantime.

I still read the board much though, luckily I don't sleep much and have Wednesday and Sunday off.
 
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