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What's JazzFanz's stance on Marriage Equality?

Gays have the right to marry a woman just like me.

Naw juss playin I think gay's should be able to marry each other if it is consensual, just like cousins should, and brothers/sisters, kids should be able to marry their parrents etc. Who are we to say that they don't love each other and want to marry?

I don't like horror movies but that doesn't mean I don't want to prevent other people from watching horror movies.
 
Okay, I'll chime in (despite my better judgement), but if you're asking for my opinion:

I think the concept of Civil Union should be adequate or can be made adequate to protect the unalienable rights of same-sex couples. To me, what you're really asking is for the state to make a declaration that homosexuality is a life choice that is as valid and worthy of recognition as a traditional marriage. I personally don't agree with this. I think homosexuality is ultimately unhealthy both physically and mentally, and that it should be tolerated rather than celebrated by the state. I'm not here to criticize homosexuals. Nobody's perfect here. But no society that I'm aware of has openly celebrated homosexuality to the point of putting it on par with the sacred institution of marriage. I see same-sex couples as more of a living arrangement than a functional and healthy way to start a family. /opinion.
 
Catchall said:
Okay, I'll chime in (despite my better judgement), but if you're asking for my opinion:

I think the concept of Civil Union should be adequate or can be made adequate to protect the unalienable rights of same-sex couples. To me, what you're really asking is for the state to make a declaration that homosexuality is a life choice that is as valid and worthy of recognition as a traditional marriage. I personally don't agree with this. I think homosexuality is ultimately unhealthy both physically and mentally, and that it should be tolerated rather than celebrated by the state. I'm not here to criticize homosexuals. Nobody's perfect here. But no society that I'm aware of has openly celebrated homosexuality to the point of putting it on par with the sacred institution of marriage. I see same-sex couples as more of a living arrangement than a functional and healthy way to start a family. /opinion.
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Marriage doesn't always have to = family. Some heterosexual couples don't want kids, some can't have kids. Doesn't stop them from making the life-long commitment to each other.

It kind of hurts to hera you say that homosexuality is unhealthy physically and mentally, and that it should be tolerated rather than treated equally. We're not looking to be 'celebrated'-- just on the same level as everyone else.

Also, there's no such thing as a sacred institution of marriage. Please don't pretend that it's always been about one man, and one woman. Its never been about two women, or two men, not that I know of-- but come on.

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Also, on the subject of gay parents-- two male parents or two female parents are ALWAYS better than no parents at all.

Maybe I just have a skewed perception of what orphanages are like from watching Oliver as a kid, but I figure two people who will love and support you throughout your entire life is always better than having none.
 
Xsy said:
Marriage doesn't always have to = family. Some heterosexual couples don't want kids, some can't have kids. Doesn't stop them from making the life-long commitment to each other.

It kind of hurts to hera you say that homosexuality is unhealthy physically and mentally, and that it should be tolerated rather than treated equally. We're not looking to be 'celebrated'-- just on the same level as everyone else.

Also, there's no such thing as a sacred institution of marriage. Please don't pretend that it's always been about one man, and one woman. Its never been about two women, or two men, not that I know of-- but come on.

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Okay, but all human beings are created by the union of a man and a woman, .....unless they're cloned, but that's a whole other topic. From a biological, traditional and spiritual perspective, it's the difference between the sexes that fosters birth.....and that's how the human race continues, family lines continue, etc.

As for being celebrated--maybe that's too strong a word, although I live in San Francisco and celebration is what goes on here. I don't think homosexuality should be promoted by the state, through education, legislation, etc.

....and yes, I believe marriage is a sacred institution, or is supposed to be. Just because some marriages are not treated that way doesn't mean the institution of marriage itself should be belittled.

Regarding the pic, the state doesn't or shouldn't promote concubines, rape, slavery, polygamy or war crimes, either. Not sure where you're going with this.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, and I'm not telling anyone how to live. Just stating my opinion.
 
Xsy said:
Also, on the subject of gay parents-- two male parents or two female parents are ALWAYS better than no parents at all.

Maybe I just have a skewed perception of what orphanages are like from watching Oliver as a kid, but I figure two people who will love and support you throughout your entire life is always better than having none.
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Rep for sharing your opinion. I do know someone who was raised in a same-sex household. Not sure what the circumstances were. But again, we're talking about how the state accepts and promotes same-sex marriage. I'm not sure if same-sex couples make much of a difference to the problem of child abandonment (orphans).
 
Catchall said:
....and yes, I believe marriage is a sacred institution, or is supposed to be. Just because some marriages are not treated that way doesn't mean the institution of marriage itself should be belittled.
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Marriage existed long before monotheistic religions decided to put the "sacred" moniker on it.

The vast majority of marriage in the world hasn't been monogamous, either.

And if you want, I'll do the research to societies where homosexual marriages were no different and as acceptable as heterosexual ones.

And claiming that the relatively recent description of marriage by Christians can be considered "traditional" is ignoring thousands of years of history and even more time in prehistory.
 
This thread got started as I was getting ready for bed, so I'm just now getting caught up. My view on marriage equality is similar to PKM's. I guess he's good company to have common ground with. So anyway, I think that God intended marriage to be between a man and a woman. That said, I absolutely accept the fact that marriage equality is picking up steam and will likely end up being a way of life all over the country. Maybe even Utah someday. That's cool. If a vote ever comes up to repeal Utah's constitutional amendment defining marriage as being between a man and a woman, I'll vote against it. But at the end of the day I know it's not my place to judge people who are in a homosexual relationship. I know that it is a commandment from God that I'm supposed to love my neighbor. The hardest part of that commandment to me is loving (or even respecting) Laker fans. I respect gay people and their position (no pun intended). That's pretty much where I stand.
 
fishonjazz said:
As i said in my post i know gay people and are friends with them. I think gay pride parades/festivals are a great idea, but couldn't there be gay pride parades where you get together and hold hands and have some beers, wine coolers, mixed drinks maybe dance around a bit, sing.... just not so over-the-top and as you said flamboyant. I just think that the gay community would be better serving thier cause for equality/acceptance if they toned it down a bit.

I actually have straight friends that go to pride, and maybe i would even go but there is just too much wierd **** going on.
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My point of view on "pride" events. I don't see them as pride. I see them as you telling me I have to shut the **** up an accept everything you do. Like hell I do. I see then as hurting your cause far more than the help it. I think gay marriage should be allowed but if I have some lesbian in my face throwing that she is gay and I "have to" accept and love that well I'm way more likely to tell her to eat a dick and **** off than I am to support her.
 
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