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What's JazzFanz's stance on Marriage Equality?

Cyrone Torbin said:
I think they are just thinking of the stereotypes that mothers/fathers can be. Most people think of the mom as the warm and caring one and the dad as the tougher, more goal oriented teacher.
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Hard to read your contributions to this thread given your current avatar.
 
It was me that brought up parents and all I said was that I think a mother AND a father were better for children than 2 mothers or 2 fathers.

I didn't get into 1 parent v. 2 parents.
 
SiroMar said:
Just a side note. The anti-marriage crowd are on the losing side. The trend for wider acceptance is undeniable and irreversible. I'm not saying you should conform to the zeitgeist, but know that your opinion will be among all of those who opposed expanding rights and equality through out history. In 20 years, people will even stop acknowledging the role of religion in the establishment of such views, and appeal to "interpretation" and modernization as they do now with women's rights.
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Yes, I'm sure gay people will gain the right to vote any day now.
 
Xsy said:
Just so I know, what can a Man+Woman couple do that a Man+Man couple cannot do when it comes to raising kids?
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A woman can relate to things in ways a man can't and the reverse is true. I'm sure same sex parents could be good parents and a hetero couple could be horrible parents. However overall I think kids need parents of a Herero relationship
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I think they are just thinking of the stereotypes that mothers/fathers can be. Most people think of the mom as the warm and caring one and the dad as the tougher, more goal oriented teacher.
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What is this, 1956?

Do I need a white picket fence and milkman service too?
 
Stoked said:
A woman can relate to things in ways a man can't and the reverse is true. I'm sure same sex parents could be good parents and a hetero couple could be horrible parents. However overall I think kids need parents of a Herero relationship
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There's always going to be a best scenario, but very rarely do kids grow up with the best case scenario. A kid will turn out alright if his dads don't teach him how to be bake cookies. Or if two moms don't end up teaching their little girl how to fix a car.

Divorced parents, single mothers, abusive fathers, mothers who care about their money more than their kids, dads who cheat on their wives... these are, sadly, just as common as your typical happy heterosexual marriage.

What ACTUAL, REAL WORLD implications is someone going to miss out on with two dads? It's better than one parent, and so much better than none. I've yet to see an argument against this.
 
Xsy said:
There's always going to be a best scenario, but very rarely do kids grow up with the best case scenario. A kid will turn out alright if his dads don't teach him how to be bake cookies. Or if two moms don't end up teaching their little girl how to fix a car.

Divorced parents, single mothers, abusive fathers, mothers who care about their money more than their kids, dads who cheat on their wives... these are, sadly, just as common as your typical happy heterosexual marriage.

What ACTUAL, REAL WORLD implications is someone going to miss out on with two dads? It's better than one parent, and so much better than none. I've yet to see an argument against this.
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Sucking on boobs at an early age.
 
Xsy said:
There's always going to be a best scenario, but very rarely do kids grow up with the best case scenario. A kid will turn out alright if his dads don't teach him how to be bake cookies. Or if two moms don't end up teaching their little girl how to fix a car.

Divorced parents, single mothers, abusive fathers, mothers who care about their money more than their kids, dads who cheat on their wives... these are, sadly, just as common as your typical happy heterosexual marriage.

What ACTUAL, REAL WORLD implications is someone going to miss out on with two dads? It's better than one parent, and so much better than none. I've yet to see an argument against this.
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You are trying to make it sound like something I'm not saying. I'm sure a kid would be fine with a homo couple raising them. A hetero couple is best. Never said a homo couple shouldn't raise kids. Slow your roll Xsy

As for the divorced couples, abuse, single parents those are just as likely to happen in homo couples as hetero

Focus on what I'm saying and not what society is
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Not true at the bolded if you had your way. "Free to pursue happiness unless that means marriage" is what you should have written.

This is the biggest wow moment I've might have had on this board. You equate a very stereotypical assumption of how a select bunch of people live and lump it as basically "the homosexual lifestyle." Let me ask you this, if others stereotyped all monogamous, heterosexual couples as mentally and physically unhealthy because they're all swingers, wouldn't you be a little put out by that? You just basically typed that you think the majority of gay people hate themselves and question their very existence. You really think that homosexuals would be down on themselves because of an inner struggle like that than what people like you think of them?

Draw the line? How about clearly stating that homosexual marriage does NOT equate to humping another dude in public while wearing spandex? That'd probably be a good start. Just like heterosexual marriage doesn't mean you share spouse every month at parties.
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I think legally marriage goes beyond the happiness of the individual. It affects how society is structured, how children are born and cared for, what norms society teaches and promotes. Again, it's not a question of what you do, but how state governments should be positioned on the issue of marriage. Why do people need a license to get married? It has some basic qualifications. If you want to have a gay lover and live however you like, that's your individual choice. You're asking states to change their traditional definition of marriage to your definition.

Wow moment: Yeah, I was surprised too. I've seen the back and forth on Prop 8 over here. The ones most actively representing the homosexual cause on that issue are not helping the perception of homosexuals.

Re Swingers: The state doesn't give you a license to commit adultery or have affairs either. You do that at your own risk, such as face a divorce settlement if you get separated. If it comes up, it might also affect your ability to adopt children, no?

Lastly, I have no idea how homosexual people hump each other when they're not in public. My feeling is that if they wore spandex, that would be just a minor accessory to the incident. It's the act itself and the mentality behind it that troubles me.
 
SiroMar said:
I'm not sure what you're saying. Expanding rights are not limited to voting... Do I really need to point this out?
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The civil rights movement for minorities and women was about gaining the right to vote. "Expanding rights" may encompass states recognizing same-sex marriage, but it's not a given. How many states recognize same-sex marriage right now? I don't even know. Are there one or two?
 
Stoked said:
You are trying to make it sound like something I'm not saying. I'm sure a kid would be fine with a homo couple raising them. A hetero couple is best. Never said a homo couple shouldn't raise kids. Slow your roll Xsy

As for the divorced couples, abuse, single parents those are just as likely to happen in homo couples as hetero

Focus on what I'm saying and not what society is
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What makes it better? You could have two gay dads and one could be very emotionally understanding/warm (mother-like) and that would replace the "ideal" mother. Your mom isn't a good mom because of what is between her legs.

The only thing that clearly makes it a worse situation is the possibility ( and probability) of emotional teasing/being made fun of. That is never a good reason not to do something though.
 
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