What's JazzFanz's stance on Marriage Equality?

[bigb]

Everything done by the state/feds should be a civil union and everything done by a church should be a marriage. problem solved.

I got married in the temple. This is recognized as a legal and binding marriage by both the church and the state. What would that be called?

 

[fishonjazz]

However, you also don't care if homosexual are allowed to use marriage. The ones who do care are the ones that see civil unions as being second-class, and your posiiton is to accomodate their view.

My position is not to accomodate anyone. My postition is for EVERYONE on both sides of the issue to get over and just not care.

 

[bigb]

I will answer your question again: I dont care what they call it and would be fine with it all being the same.

See my mom and dad taught me this really cool saying when i was a kid: Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

In others words it is dumb that straights want to keep thier precious word marriage.... but it is also equally dumb that gays are upset at being called a civil union. They are just words. Why do gays want to be called married? Why do straights want gays to be called civil unions? I dont think there are any really good reasons for either and both are equally dumb and umimportant.

That didn't answer the question about the need to call them different things. If they're just words, why differentiate. By calling them different things, you are making them different.

 

[Stoked]

I got married in the temple. This is recognized as a legal and binding marriage by both the church and the state. What would that be called?

Marriage. You were married by your church. Just because the state can recognize it as legal does not mean they should have the right to create one as well.

 

[fishonjazz]

That didn't answer the question about the need to call them different things. If they're just words, why differentiate. By calling them different things, you are making them different.

I will anwer your question again: Call them the same thing, i dont care. Does that answer your question?

 

[fishonjazz]

I will anwer your question again: Call them the same thing, i dont care. Does that answer your question?

Btw catcharoo if you look at the first post that i answered you question you will see that i also said to call them the same thing in that one.

My question to you is: why does anyone care if they are called something different?

 

[Stoked]

Btw catcharoo if you look at the first post that i answered you question you will see that i also said to call them the same thing in that one.

My question to you is: why does anyone care if they are called something different?

Political Correctness

 

[bigb]

Marriage. You were married by your church. Just because the state can recognize it as legal does not mean they should have the right to create one as well.

In your scenario then, does the state recognize my marriage as being legal? Is a gay couple given this same treatment (of having a church ceremony count as a legal and binding marriage)?

 

[bigb]

Btw catcharoo if you look at the first post that i answered you question you will see that i also said to call them the same thing in that one.

My question to you is: why does anyone care if they are called something different?

Personally, I don't know why they care. I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here with what you are saying. I do know some gay people who grew up wanting to get married. Under your scenario, even though they are granted every legal right as a married couple, they still can't get "married".

 

[fishonjazz]

I guess people just have too thin of skin and are too easily offended in my opinion.

Peace out ya'll

 

[bigb]

I guess people just have too thin of skin and are too easily offended in my opinion.

Peace out ya'll

There's no doubt about that.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Sense there has been a lot of skirting (no pun intended) the issue, I will chime in with a bit of bluntness/truth. I simply don't want gay marriage in anyway taught in schools, popularized by the media, or otherwise brought to a point of dumbing down the natural order of things.

I have 5 kids and simply don't want them to be subjected to the glorification of the topic and feel they need to question whether they too may be gay. I think the glorification of it is what bothers me most. I know some gays would say it's only glorified because it's currently controversial .. Legalize marriage and it will eventually stop. That's even worse, because now it's totally mainstream.

Bottom line for me is that everybody should do what they want .. And in peace, but take responsibility. I'm not gay, so I am unqualified to make this statement, but will anyway. If I were gay, and were given a pass to marry, I would do so, but I would not be 'kissing the bride' in front of television cameras ... Because I believe I would know that America is better off without adding the confusion of sexuality into the minds of children that may be watching.

 

[Stoked]

In your scenario then, does the state recognize my marriage as being legal? Is a gay couple given this same treatment (of having a church ceremony count as a legal and binding marriage)?

If the gay couple gets married by a church then yes they are married. If they get a ceremony done by the governement (any level) it is a civil union. Basically I am saying take the government out of the marriage business.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

First of all, "Promoting Homosexuality"? Ffs, dude. First of all, no one here or in the government PROMOTES people to change their sexual orientation. My parents PROMOTED the heterosexual lifestyle to me, and guess what? Turns out I'm not into chicks. **** me, right? I really wanted to be straight, but it didn't happen. Trust me, I tried. From puberty until I was 19 years old. I fasted, prayed, and guess what? I'm still gay. I was even planning on going on a mission. I was raised in the PERFECT LDS household. Happy home life, loving family of 6, church every Sunday, seminary every day in high school. So please, don't bring up the argument that I may have had a "liberal" upbringing or an abusive parent.

The term you're looking for is "Supporting Homosexuality". "SUPPORT". It simply means we DON'T have equal rights, and we want the government to SUPPORT the rights of two adult consenting men who love each other. Nothing more. No promoting. No one is trying to turn you and your family gay, here.

You just have the worst word selection pretty much ever



Holy crap, dude, buttsex cancer isn't this giant epidemic that's killing the nation-- and HIV is more than treatable now. And I've just got to know-- what does ANY potential disease have ANYTHING to do with a LOVE COMMITMENT?

Let's flip this logic back and use it against heterosexuals, shall we?

"Unwanted pregnancy is much, much, much, much, much more common than HIV. Unwanted children lead to abortions, which I'm guessing in your book, is a bigger sin than contracting HIV. Therefore we should ban Heterosexual marriage-- to protect marriage from abortions and orphaned children."

Sounds stupid, right? Well you're making the same argument. Get a better one, because this one is ****.

Fast food kills more people than HIV and Buttsex cancer-- ban fast food?
Cars kill more people than HIV and Buttsex Cancer-- ban cars?

No.

You're going to die. Some people die from cigarettes, some in car accidents, and others from having too much gay buttsex. And that's why America is so great.

But again I ask you, WHAT DOES MARRIAGE HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS? Gay sex happens with marriage or not. Legalizing gay marriage will not 'create' new homosexuals-- it will simply accommodate those already existing on the planet. This doesn't affect your life in any way. At all. Your kids won't turn gay because they see gay people. They're gay if they're gay. There's nothing you can do about it.



And that's why you're a ****ing retard. I'm sorry, I tried to be respectful for this topic, and I probably deserve an infraction for that, but holy cow.

I've made a huge mistake by making this topic-- it saddens me to see such ignorant posts like this.

Basketball topics from now on for me.

Like, holy crap-- how would allowing gay marriage, a commitment between two people, SPREAD HIV? If anything, it would literally reduce the number of people being infected by HIV.

I seriously just cannot fathom this logic you're busting out.

Have you not read a GD thread? They usually start off well and people are discussing the topic at hand and making sense. Then, people start arguing arguments within arguments until people really forget what in the hell they are arguing about. Then you have people like Hotnickkk who basically destroy themselves in an argument with hypocritical and contradictory statements like "Civil union is just a word, why do gays care?" and "They can't call it marriage, that word is important" but still act like they are right or justified in their opinions.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sense there has been a lot of skirting (no pun intended) the issue, I will chime in with a bit of bluntness/truth. I simply don't want gay marriage in anyway taught in schools, popularized by the media, or otherwise brought to a point of dumbing down the natural order of things.

I have 5 kids and simply don't want them to be subjected to the glorification of the topic and feel they need to question whether they too may be gay. I think the glorification of it is what bothers me most. I know some gays would say it's only glorified because it's currently controversial .. Legalize marriage and it will eventually stop. That's even worse, because now it's totally mainstream.

Bottom line for me is that everybody should do what they want .. And in peace, but take responsibility. I'm not gay, so I am unqualified to make this statement, but will anyway. If I were gay, and were given a pass to marry, I would do so, but I would not be 'kissing the bride' in front of television cameras ... Because I believe I would know that America is better off without adding the confusion of sexuality into the minds of children that may be watching.

Is marriage taught in schools? Maybe I just don't remember, but I don't remember ever having the class on marriage.

 

[Stoked]

Yeah I do not want heterosexuality or homosexuality taught in schools. Teach about the human body and the functions of men and women and how babies are made but leave it at that.

 

[bigb]

If the gay couple gets married by a church then yes they are married. If they get a ceremony done by the governement (any level) it is a civil union. Basically I am saying take the government out of the marriage business.

So what you're saying is that homosexuals are allowed everything the same as heteros? Anything performed by the government is a civil union (gay or straight) and anything performed by a church is a marriage (gay or straight)? Any church performed ceremony is also recognized by the government? I could get behind this.

 

[Stoked]

So what you're saying is that homosexuals are allowed everything the same as heteros? Anything performed by the government is a civil union (gay or straight) and anything performed by a church is a marriage (gay or straight)? Any church performed ceremony is also recognized by the government? I could get behind this.

Exactly.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Is marriage taught in schools? Maybe I just don't remember, but I don't remember ever having the class on marriage.

There have been things said in the media about teaching/explaining gay marriage as an offshoot of Health classes.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So what you're saying is that homosexuals are allowed everything the same as heteros? Anything performed by the government is a civil union (gay or straight) and anything performed by a church is a marriage (gay or straight)? Any church performed ceremony is also recognized by the government? I could get behind this.

I would appreciate a cooler name than "Civil Union". Hopefully I get married to a girl who doesn't want to go to church and by then they have named it something way cooler. Civil Union just sounds like "Hey, me and this person promised to be citizens together."