What's JazzFanz's stance on Marriage Equality?

[Stoked]

There have been things said in the media about teaching/explaining gay marriage as an offshoot of Health classes.

An offshoot of this is that things like Asian-Pagcific heratige month, black history month...all those should go.

If someone did something of note it should included in the regular cirriculum. Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Rosa Parks..should all be given proper weight in social studies/history courses.

 

[Dr. Jones]

**** buddies?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There have been things said in the media about teaching/explaining gay marriage as an offshoot of Health classes.

The only thing I remember is that in 9th grade some dumb *** tried to tell us not have sex and that abstinence was the best thing to do and wait until marriage. They also told us that if we ********** too much we don't be able to have sex because our dicks would prefer our hands to *******.

 

[Stoked]

I would appreciate a cooler name than "Civil Union". Hopefully I get married to a girl who doesn't want to go to church and by then they have named it something way cooler. Civil Union just sounds like "Hey, me and this person promised to be citizens together."

how about just Union?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

An offshoot of this is that things like Asian-Pagcific heratige month, black history month...all those should go.

If someone did something of note it should included in the regular cirriculum. Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Rosa Parks..should all be given proper weight in social studies/history courses.

All those things are covered in history classes. Why should black history month go?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

how about just Union?

Still lame.

 

[Stoked]

The only thing I remember is that in 9th grade some dumb *** tried to tell us not have sex and that abstinence was the best thing to do and wait until marriage. They also told us that if we ********** too much we don't be able to have sex because our dicks would prefer our hands to *******.

Mine didn't...

 

[Stoked]

All those things are covered in history classes. Why should black history month go?

Just a personal opinion and how I view fairness and equal status. I am no better than a man of another race and he no better than I am. Why should he get a special month? The only way I see all the racism and ******** going away is to stop making it an issue to kids from day one. Raise all kids to see no difference and it will die out. This goes much further than Black History month. Race/ethnicity polling should go, sexual preference polling should go.

I am not saying that those are the reasons racism exists. But by continuing to point out that we are different only reinforces it in my opinion.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

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Mine didn't...

Yeah, the person who came into to talk about it with us was a youth leader at a local church, a female.

 

[Stoked]

Yeah, the person who came into to talk about it with us was a youth leader at a local church, a female.

You should have told her that the two of you need to get a motel room and test that theory.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Just a personal opinion and how I view fairness and equal status. I am no better than a man of another race and he no better than I am. Why should he get a special month? The only way I see all the racism and ******** going away is to stop making it an issue to kids from day one. Raise all kids to see no difference and it will die out. This goes much further than Black History month. Race/ethnicity polling should go, sexual preference polling should go.

I am not saying that those are the reasons racism exists. But by continuing to point out that we are different only reinforces it in my opinion.

We are different though. To take away all differences is stupid. You have to respect the cultural integrity of different races and I think it's always good to promote that sense of historic culture. You can't just ignore the differences and say "We are all exactly the same", we are all equal, not the same.

 

[Stoked]

We are different though. To take away all differences is stupid. You have to respect the cultural integrity of different races and I think it's always good to promote that sense of historic culture. You can't just ignore the differences and say "We are all exactly the same", we are all equal, not the same.

I agree that we are different and that people should be proud of where they come from. No arguement there none. But why a special month? Why not just teach it as part of a normal cirriculum?

As people we are equal. Being different =/= being inequal (unequal?). Everyone should be proud of where they come from. I just think that kind of pride should be left up to parents to instill if they think it is best for their kids.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree that we are different and that people should be proud of where they come from. No arguement there none. But why a special month? Why not just teach it as part of a normal cirriculum?

As people we are equal. Being different =/= being inequal (unequal?). Everyone should be proud of where they come from. I just think that kind of pride should be left up to parents to instill if they think it is best for their kids.

I get what you are saying that the fact that there is a month is kind of lame, but I just find it annoying when people make a big deal out of it being there, especially when people say "Why isn't there a White history month?" (not saying you said that, but that is often a thing said).

 

[Stoked]

I get what you are saying that the fact that there is a month is kind of lame, but I just find it annoying when people make a big deal out of it being there, especially when people say "Why isn't there a White history month?"

Oh I agree. I am not part of any campaign about it or anything. Just a strong opinion I have. This seemed like an appropriate thread to bring it up in is all.

Edit: As for a white history month I think that would be as lame (one could reasonably argue insulting) as the others.

 

[margodydek]

I've steered clear of this thread for a while, but thought I'd throw in my $.02. Call me whatever you want, but I am totally fine with gender specific groups/clubs (I'll get to it later, but that's what I consider marriage to be - a gender specific group). I'm totally fine with "women only" gyms, and I'm fine with "gentleman only" golf courses (stay strong Augusta). Boy Scouts are for boys, which is why I'm sure one day a girl wanted to be a boy scout, but was told no, and thus we have the creation of Girl Scouts.

I see no problem with two men having the exact same civil rights as me and my wife, but I would prefer that it be called something besides marriage. Marriage for thousands of years has always been between a man and a woman. I hope this doesn't come across as offensive (which usually means it's going to be offensive), but I consider marriage to be our thing. By our, I mean man/woman.

The big problem I see if eventually the definition of marriage is changed, is that genders will be obsolete. I believe in God and I believe that a person's gender is of eternal significance. However, if kids grow up learning that it doesn't matter what gender you are, in essence if gender is subjective - if boys wish to wear dresses, let them wear dresses - then eventually men will cease to be masuline and women will cease to be feminine - and there will be some major sexual confusion.

I have more thoughts, but here's the gist of my manifesto

 

[PearlWatson]

we are all equal, not the same.

jim crow!!!!

 

[PearlWatson]

Let's just keep the laws how they are and call it progressive marriagation.

Or we can give homosexuals the choice to be married, but not let them follow through with that choice and call it a free will marriage.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I've steered clear of this thread for a while, but thought I'd throw in my $.02. Call me whatever you want, but I am totally fine with gender specific groups/clubs (I'll get to it later, but that's what I consider marriage to be - a gender specific group). I'm totally fine with "women only" gyms, and I'm fine with "gentleman only" golf courses (stay strong Augusta). Boy Scouts are for boys, which is why I'm sure one day a girl wanted to be a boy scout, but was told no, and thus we have the creation of Girl Scouts.

I see no problem with two men having the exact same civil rights as me and my wife, but I would prefer that it be called something besides marriage. Marriage for thousands of years has always been between a man and a woman. I hope this doesn't come across as offensive (which usually means it's going to be offensive), but I consider marriage to be our thing. By our, I mean man/woman.

The big problem I see if eventually the definition of marriage is changed, is that genders will be obsolete. I believe in God and I believe that a person's gender is of eternal significance. However, if kids grow up learning that it doesn't matter what gender you are, in essence if gender is subjective - if boys wish to wear dresses, let them wear dresses - then eventually men will cease to be masuline and women will cease to be feminine - and there will be some major sexual confusion.

I have more thoughts, but here's the gist of my manifesto

Great post.

 

[PearlWatson]

Sorry. For a moment, I thought you were aware of the manufatroversies regarding the authorship of Shakespeare's plays. I should have known better.
Anyone who has done even meager research into Shakespeare's plays knows that most of the plots are taken from plots of other writers. Shakespeare didn't invent the language that he used, didn't build the society capable of supporting theater. Shakespeare would not have written his plays without all those things he didn't build. It's obvious to anyone, yet somehow controversial.

I was aware of some.
Shakespeare actually coined a whole crap ton of words and phrases.

I was aware of the liberal view that entrepeneurial American's were parasites on the government. That's why it fit so well with what'shisname's views that children are parasites.

 

[fishonjazz]

I've steered clear of this thread for a while, but thought I'd throw in my $.02. Call me whatever you want, but I am totally fine with gender specific groups/clubs (I'll get to it later, but that's what I consider marriage to be - a gender specific group). I'm totally fine with "women only" gyms, and I'm fine with "gentleman only" golf courses (stay strong Augusta). Boy Scouts are for boys, which is why I'm sure one day a girl wanted to be a boy scout, but was told no, and thus we have the creation of Girl Scouts.

I see no problem with two men having the exact same civil rights as me and my wife, but I would prefer that it be called something besides marriage. Marriage for thousands of years has always been between a man and a woman. I hope this doesn't come across as offensive (which usually means it's going to be offensive), but I consider marriage to be our thing. By our, I mean man/woman.

The big problem I see if eventually the definition of marriage is changed, is that genders will be obsolete. I believe in God and I believe that a person's gender is of eternal significance. However, if kids grow up learning that it doesn't matter what gender you are, in essence if gender is subjective - if boys wish to wear dresses, let them wear dresses - then eventually men will cease to be masuline and women will cease to be feminine - and there will be some major sexual confusion.

I have more thoughts, but here's the gist of my manifesto

I thought this was a great post as well. even if i dont totally agree.

Good job of explaining why you feel the way you do.