Funny. You extrapolated that from my saying the media is far from a good source for actually knowing what is going on behind the curtain.
Should Mitt release his tax returns?
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Funny. You extrapolated that from my saying the media is far from a good source for actually knowing what is going on behind the curtain.
larryselbows
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Here are words.
SaltyDawg
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This article does not cite even 1 instance of in person voter fraud. It's just old news, talking about Florida purging the polls because so many illegals were registered to vote.
We have already discussed Florida purging the polls and how a lot of legal Americans (including a decorated WWII vet) got "purged" because their database was wrong.
SaltyDawg
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The article shows that millions of legal Americans are disenfranchised right now (with a presidential election upcoming).
It sounds like you're okay with that, as long as there is not indisputable proof that they will be disenfranchised forever?
Are the Republicans in here claiming that his new voting law is happening for any other reason than trying to win a pivotal state?
Please tell me you understand why Republicans in Pennsylvania are pushing this now.
Please tell me you understand why Republicans in Pennsylvania are pushing this now.
What about voter identification is broken, that Voter ID will fix?
Since 2000 there have been perhaps a couple of hundred fraudulent votes. They did all that?
The 2000 election was definitely swung by illegally preventing people from voting in Florida, based on the similarity of their names and demographic information to felons. How do you feel about that?
You are not assured enough by the fact that well under 0.0001% of votes, in practice, are that citizen voting? YOu need the extra assurance of an ID, whose practical effect will be to turn people away from the polls who are legitimate voters? These people's rights need to be sacrificed so you can feel secure against anon-existent problem?
See, we understand what you are saying. That does not make it reasonable.
Why would bias to the left matter, unless this was a partisan issue?
That number seems small until you apply the actual number to a single district. It could easily sway a close race, such as Al Franken & finding extra votes in the trunk of a car.
I'd be surprised if this was used on a presidential election though. Too much risk for the heads of the D/RNC's to do it themselves, & too many ears on the down line to accomplish anything without a leak.
What was the last race on a state level decided by a margin of less than 0.0001%? Would Voter ID prevent ballots from winding up in car trunks?
So you are claiming this is being done to protect the sanctity of the vote in pennsylvania?
Please....
It shows no such thing.
larryselbows
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I agree with the republicans on this one, it should be only citizens that vote. My only hesitation is that if voter fraud were to negatively effect Romney's numbers, I only hope that the republican party would show the same kind of resolution to get this law passed. I hope their reasons for doing this are for the practical reasons they are stating, not political.
SaltyDawg
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Sure it does. As the article points out, millions of otherwise legal Americans are currently not allowed to vote. That, by definition, is disenfranchised.
Clergy rally in Philly against voter ID law
https://articles.philly.com/2012-08-14/news/33183346_1_penndot-ids-voter-id-law-combat-voter-fraud
August 14, 2012|By Barbara Laker and Daily News Staff Writer
The Rev. William B. Moore (left) of the Tenth Memorial Baptist Church talks about a member…
A NUMBER of Philadelphia-area clergy came together Sunday night to speak out against Pennsylvania's controversial new voter-ID law, saying it will prevent thousands from casting their ballots.
The Rev. William B. Moore of the Tenth Memorial Baptist Church in North Philadelphia said an 80-year-old parishioner of his is one of them. She was born in a South Carolina home, delivered by a midwife and never had a birth certificate. Without that, she can't get a photo ID in Pennsylvania, even though she has a Social Security card and voted in prior elections, he said.
"She told me, ‘I've been living for 80 years and I can't seem to prove it,' " he said.
Moore was one of several clergy members and community leaders who voiced their concerns about the 5-month-old law at the Bright Hope Baptist Church at 12th Street and Cecil B. Moore Avenue in North Philadelphia.
"The question is why do we need the law?" asked Bright Hope's senior pastor, Kevin Johnson.
Proponents of the law say it is necessary to combat voter fraud. But opponents argue that actual cases of fraud are practically non-existent and that the move is a smokescreen to restrict hundreds of thousands of likely Democratic voters, particularly minorities, the poor, the uneducated and the elderly, from casting their ballots.
"It's a way to discourage voters and suppress voters," Johnson said. The problem is greater "in the African-American and Hispanic communities," he said.
The most common form of photo ID is a state-issued driver's license. PennDOT recently released a list of 759,000 voters who may not have PennDOT IDs and another list of 906,000 with expired IDs that wouldn't be accepted at polling places in November.
Philadelphia City Commissioner Stephanie Singer said it is estimated that about 9.2 percent of Pennsylvania residents and 18 percent in Philadelphia don't have a photo ID.
As an added obstacle, Johnson said, some residents live 10 miles from a PennDOT office. Churches have taken some parishioners in vans or buses to get photo IDs. "But what happens to those who are not connected to a faith community?" he asked.
Ellen Mattleman Kaplan, vice president and policy director of the Committee of Seventy, said some people who made it to the PennDOT offices have faced long lines, and she worries that hundreds of voters won't be able to make the trip before the election.
"We ought to do everything possible to help people get out and vote, not put up a stumbling block," Moore said.
The American Civil Liberties Union, the NAACP, the League of Women Voters and several Pennsylvania residents have challenged the state law in Commonwealth Court. Judge Robert E. Simpson is expected to rule this week.
https://articles.philly.com/2012-08-14/news/33183346_1_penndot-ids-voter-id-law-combat-voter-fraud
August 14, 2012|By Barbara Laker and Daily News Staff Writer
The Rev. William B. Moore (left) of the Tenth Memorial Baptist Church talks about a member…
A NUMBER of Philadelphia-area clergy came together Sunday night to speak out against Pennsylvania's controversial new voter-ID law, saying it will prevent thousands from casting their ballots.
The Rev. William B. Moore of the Tenth Memorial Baptist Church in North Philadelphia said an 80-year-old parishioner of his is one of them. She was born in a South Carolina home, delivered by a midwife and never had a birth certificate. Without that, she can't get a photo ID in Pennsylvania, even though she has a Social Security card and voted in prior elections, he said.
"She told me, ‘I've been living for 80 years and I can't seem to prove it,' " he said.
Moore was one of several clergy members and community leaders who voiced their concerns about the 5-month-old law at the Bright Hope Baptist Church at 12th Street and Cecil B. Moore Avenue in North Philadelphia.
"The question is why do we need the law?" asked Bright Hope's senior pastor, Kevin Johnson.
Proponents of the law say it is necessary to combat voter fraud. But opponents argue that actual cases of fraud are practically non-existent and that the move is a smokescreen to restrict hundreds of thousands of likely Democratic voters, particularly minorities, the poor, the uneducated and the elderly, from casting their ballots.
"It's a way to discourage voters and suppress voters," Johnson said. The problem is greater "in the African-American and Hispanic communities," he said.
The most common form of photo ID is a state-issued driver's license. PennDOT recently released a list of 759,000 voters who may not have PennDOT IDs and another list of 906,000 with expired IDs that wouldn't be accepted at polling places in November.
Philadelphia City Commissioner Stephanie Singer said it is estimated that about 9.2 percent of Pennsylvania residents and 18 percent in Philadelphia don't have a photo ID.
As an added obstacle, Johnson said, some residents live 10 miles from a PennDOT office. Churches have taken some parishioners in vans or buses to get photo IDs. "But what happens to those who are not connected to a faith community?" he asked.
Ellen Mattleman Kaplan, vice president and policy director of the Committee of Seventy, said some people who made it to the PennDOT offices have faced long lines, and she worries that hundreds of voters won't be able to make the trip before the election.
"We ought to do everything possible to help people get out and vote, not put up a stumbling block," Moore said.
The American Civil Liberties Union, the NAACP, the League of Women Voters and several Pennsylvania residents have challenged the state law in Commonwealth Court. Judge Robert E. Simpson is expected to rule this week.
Of course this is political....