Ummm, YES better at SG easily, as has been explained in many previous posts. Bell has the skill sets of two players. Hence there is no weakness on the floor with Korver (defense) or with Mattews (outside shooting). This is hugh...no really HUGH. I can't understand why people don't see this. HUGH! And was the reason the Jazz traded Brewer. Bulls are going to have the same problem Utah had.
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Ummm, YES better at SG easily, as has been explained in many previous posts. Bell has the skill sets of two players. Hence there is no weakness on the floor with Korver (defense) or with Mattews (outside shooting). This is hugh...no really HUGH. I can't understand why people don't see this. HUGH! And was the reason the Jazz traded Brewer. Bulls are going to have the same problem Utah had.
JohnnyClutch
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Millsap's jumper is technically vastly superior to Loozer's ugly, reach back, slow, high arc, streaky, goof lookin, loose, smelly jumper. Paul's is tight, square, soft, quick, better.
Millsap's got heart -- a warrior. Will take someone's head if needed. Loozer's a fade away waiting to happen. Either that or he gets his **** thrown.
Millsap >>>>> Loozer.
Millsap's got heart -- a warrior. Will take someone's head if needed. Loozer's a fade away waiting to happen. Either that or he gets his **** thrown.
Millsap >>>>> Loozer.
JohnnyClutch
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I agree that we're better at the two. I think we should start CJ there though unless he loses that assertiveness. I think he showed during the Lakers series in particular that he finally gets it.
Deron, CJ, AK (cause he thrives on starting), Millsap, and Jefferson, with Price, Bell, Gordo, and Memo off the bench.
Better. Much better.
Deron, CJ, AK (cause he thrives on starting), Millsap, and Jefferson, with Price, Bell, Gordo, and Memo off the bench.
Better. Much better.
David Stern
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I don't think we really care about regular season as much anymore, its a given that our team is going to win 50 games barring major injuries. We can beat anybody in the West except LA, and we know that. So the lineup you suggested gives us a lot better shot at doing that, so its an improvement. Or, in short, I agree.
gomretat
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Absolutely spot on. Same argument I have made multiple times but in one complete summary. Also agreed that if we are better this year it will be because AK deserves and gets more minutes. He is the X factor this year.
gomretat
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Obviously you are the smartest person on the planet so why would anyone have the insights you do.
Stifle Tower
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Agree with chawx, nghedman and Johnny.
Al gives us a real low-post presence a la the early days of Malone. We can say Booz was a post-player, but 85% of the time, he'd take the fadeaway shot. With Big Al working inside, either Millsap or Okur are the perfect complementary players, they can both hit the mid-range shot if Jefferson gets doubled and throws it back out, or in Okur's case, drift out to the 3.
As for the starters, I think Bell and AK need to be in the line-up. You want to set a defensive tone against the opposing team and most have great scorers at either the 2 or 3 (or both).
JohnnyClutch made a valid point about Jefferson replacing Okur, not Boozer. That's a big improvement. And IMO, Millsap = Boozer. You give up 4 points on offense, but make that up on the defensive end. There's no question in my mind, Paul could be a 16/10 guy. But with Jefferson also pounding the glass, and AK a decent rebounder, maybe 16/8 is more realistic.
Jazz are improved at the 5 and arguably equal at the 4 (less offense/better defense). Unchanged at the 1 and 3. So that leaves the 2. If healthy, I think Raja could be an improvement over Wesley. He's a better defender. And a better shooter. Less effective then Matthews cutting to the hoop. Raja will work more from the outside, which allows AK to be the cutter (his strength).
AS for the bench, I don't think we lost anything. As I've mentioned before, Kyle gave the Jazz 2.5 three-point attempts per game. That's really not a major "threat." CJ/Raja can easily match that. And Hayward will be just as effective off curls and is just as good from the FT line.
I think we'll be a much better team defensively. Equal or maybe just a touch lighter on offense, depending on rotation minutes, if/when Memo returns, etc.
Al gives us a real low-post presence a la the early days of Malone. We can say Booz was a post-player, but 85% of the time, he'd take the fadeaway shot. With Big Al working inside, either Millsap or Okur are the perfect complementary players, they can both hit the mid-range shot if Jefferson gets doubled and throws it back out, or in Okur's case, drift out to the 3.
As for the starters, I think Bell and AK need to be in the line-up. You want to set a defensive tone against the opposing team and most have great scorers at either the 2 or 3 (or both).
JohnnyClutch made a valid point about Jefferson replacing Okur, not Boozer. That's a big improvement. And IMO, Millsap = Boozer. You give up 4 points on offense, but make that up on the defensive end. There's no question in my mind, Paul could be a 16/10 guy. But with Jefferson also pounding the glass, and AK a decent rebounder, maybe 16/8 is more realistic.
Jazz are improved at the 5 and arguably equal at the 4 (less offense/better defense). Unchanged at the 1 and 3. So that leaves the 2. If healthy, I think Raja could be an improvement over Wesley. He's a better defender. And a better shooter. Less effective then Matthews cutting to the hoop. Raja will work more from the outside, which allows AK to be the cutter (his strength).
AS for the bench, I don't think we lost anything. As I've mentioned before, Kyle gave the Jazz 2.5 three-point attempts per game. That's really not a major "threat." CJ/Raja can easily match that. And Hayward will be just as effective off curls and is just as good from the FT line.
I think we'll be a much better team defensively. Equal or maybe just a touch lighter on offense, depending on rotation minutes, if/when Memo returns, etc.
theNBAnerd
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sap isn't an upgrade over boozer, either, guys. sap has 2 post moves (literally) and almost never gets double-teamed. he can put up similar numbers to boozer in one-month stretches, but boozer is a FAR more complete player than either millsap OR jefferson.
Gyp Rosetti
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We won't need low-post moves. He'll be camped 17 feet out as Jefferson bangs down low.
theNBAnerd
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ah, the famed jefferson-will-magically-become-a-better-player-because-of-DW-and-the-system argue. we have locke to thank for perpetuating this half-truth.
the thing is, we all know that playing with DW is going to give him better opportunities than playing with ramon sessions. but jefferson is still fairly limited as a player. he is a MUCH better post scorer than boozer could every pretend to be, but in just about every other facet of the game, he's either inferior to boozer (passing, decision-making, jump-shooting, finishing with both hands, etc.) or roughly equal to boozer (defense). i trust jerry, deron and others to utilize his strenghts and paper over his weaknesses, but lets' not pretend that he's going to suddenly become tim duncan just because he's alongside a real point guard. his game has holes... more than boozer's.
let's also get out of the habit of judging everything by individual production, as in, "he could be a 24/11 guy here and therefore be better than booz." he could put up 30-and-15 and still make the team worse if he doesn't ease the burden on other guys. for example, when millsap started during boozer's 2008-09 injury, he put up eerily similar numbers to booz, but the team offensive efficiency dropped off a ton because nobody was going to double millsap and he was more predictable offensively. for hell's sake, tracy mcgrady has two scoring titles and has never been out of the first round, so quite clearly more scoriing does NOT equal "better" in terms of contributing to team quality.
i agree with everything here, and accounted for it in my "fit" point. al makes us better IF he makes the pieces fit better together (ie, he plays more center, ak/memo play more high post.)
agree. the move has good long-term potential. but let's be realistic: the 2010-11 didn't just get BETTER than the 2009-2010 jazz. if anything, we barely kept up and now it's about getting the pieces to fit better together... hopefully better than the old pieces did, but that's not a guarantee.
Gyp Rosetti
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Agreed. During the season, what do you think our front office's biggest priority should be?
theNBAnerd
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well i'd say "finding an athletic, long big that can contend with pau", but isn't that every team's priority? if it were that easy, pau wouldn't be such a rarity. they should listen to phone calls, but the thing is, there are only 4 really tradeable assets (until december 15): memo, AK, CJ and sap. for memo and AK you're going to get pennies on the dollar, so it really comes down to what a team would be willing to give them for CJ and paul.