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NFL Thread 12-13

Wes Mantooth said:
Plenty of veteran pieces? Who? Long? Fasano? Bush? Compared to the rest of the league, that's suspect. Tannehill (not Tannenhill) has virtually no one to throw to (Bush and Fasano are his best two targets) and I'm not sure how they'll even score 17 a game.
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Most of their offensive line - Long, Incognito, Hicks - all starters with 5 years or more experience.

yeah, they don't have great skill position players - but they are mostly veterans that are not going to kill you with rookie mistakes.

And they've always played NE tough - and The Jets and The Bills aren't exactly scary good. They could win 4 division games.
 
They don't play Carolina.

You left out Oakland, Arizona, St. Louis, Jacksonville with Seattle and Tennessee at home.

All non playoff teams last year - all winnable games.
 
I'm the last person to get down on sombodey being high on their team. But Wes is being rather rotten regarding his evaluations. I still don't know who his actual NFL team is or what he thinks about his own team.

Dude was happier than all getout to force me into a bet and now where is he? Gettin drunk on the Capn. There better be some good pics.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Plenty of veteran pieces? Who? Long? Fasano? Bush? Compared to the rest of the league, that's suspect. Tannehill (not Tannenhill) has virtually no one to throw to (Bush and Fasano are his best two targets) and I'm not sure how they'll even score 17 a game. That said, they do have a solid defense and I really like him and think he might be a stud qb, though my gut tells me he'll be average, or sort of like Mark Sanchez. But no way they win 8+ games against the Pats twice, a desperate Jets' d, and a much improved Bills' team.
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So, wildly inconsistent?
 
I believe miami also has devon bess to throw to and he is a pretty good weapon. (undersized quick guy ala steve smith, deshawn jackson)
Having said that, i agree with wes that they wont be very good.
 
Funny moment in last night's game - rookie Will Batson hit a 25 yard field goal which was waived off on a holding penalty, got pushed back 10 yards and then kicked a 35 yard FG which was waived off because of another holding penalty, got pushed back another 10 yards and hit a 45 yard field goal.

No matter what the team, I always root for rookie kickers. Trying break into the NFL as a non-roster kicker/punter is like trying to break in to Fort Knox.
 
candrew said:
They don't play Carolina.

You left out Oakland, Arizona, St. Louis, Jacksonville with Seattle and Tennessee at home.

All non playoff teams last year - all winnable games.
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They also don't play at Dallas. I was drunk and those were two preseason games. That said, you're nuts. How much are you willing too wager on this? Even if they win all six of those games you mentioned (which isn't happening), they'd still need to win 3-4 divisional games too to get to the 9-10 wins you mentioned. Not happening. Rookie qb's who start from game one rarely do well. Especially when the talent they have to throw to blows. Which theirs does. Their wr's/te's are bottom five in the league if not the worst.
 
fishonjazz said:
I believe miami also has devon bess to throw to and he is a pretty good weapon. (undersized quick guy ala steve smith, deshawn jackson)
Having said that, i agree with wes that they wont be very good.
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Do you watch football? Comparing Devone Bess to Steve Smith and Desean Jackson is ludicrous. The first two are #1 wr's. Bess is a #3. At best.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Do you watch football? Comparing Devone Bess to Steve Smith and Desean Jackson is ludicrous. The first two are #1 wr's. Bess is a #3. At best.
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Yep as a Phins fan I just assumed he meant size wise but talent wise yes Bess is a slot WR a good one but still best used in the slot.

Also I believe Wes is a PHI fan but could be wrong on that.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
They also don't play at Dallas. I was drunk and those were two preseason games. That said, you're nuts. How much are you willing too wager on this?
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A million Brazilian Dollars.

Don't need to bet - Giants are my team, as you should know.

Like I originally said, there is an "if" next Tannenhill's name. I think he will turn out to be a good starting QB - perhaps not right away though. If he does have a good year Dolphins can win some games. Their defense is already there. They have a decent OL and Lance Thomas looks like he might be a player.

If Tannenhill struggles they are probably looking at another 5 or 6 win year. We'll see.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
Yep as a Phins fan I just assumed he meant size wise but talent wise yes Bess is a slot WR a good one but still best used in the slot.

Also I believe Wes is a PHI fan but could be wrong on that.
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Ah, ok. Odd that he hates on the Browns then since they've been being built on that team's template for the last 3 years.
 
Well they aren't fixing their hopes on a QB that doesn't read defenses or understands how to avoid injury, so you got me there.

It's actually understandable now that I think about it. Philly has been on a downward slope since Jim Johnson died and Cleveland stole Heckert. Right now that team is the definition of paper tiger. Huge expectations and less than stellar results.
 
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Brown Notes said:
Well they aren't fixing their hopes on a QB that doesn't read defenses or understands how to avoid injury, so you got me there.

It's actually understandable now that I think about it. Philly has been on a downward slope since Jim Johnson died and Cleveland stole Heckert. Right now that team is the definition of paper tiger. Huge expectations and less than stellar results.
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A Browns' fan talking ****. How cute.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
A Browns' fan talking ****. How cute.
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An Eagles fan calling him on it? Just as cute!



**** you...1984, I mean 1999-2000 Forever!!!
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Brown Notes said:
So you weren't disappointed with the Eagles last season then? That would make you a very unusual Philly fan.
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I was disappointed but wan't very upset. It's not worth it and I have no control over it. So why go crazy? And in that instance, quite frankly, last season's underachieving didn't shock me after VY's bulletin board material and Vick having played perfect the year before.

I expect much more this year. Our lb's are much improved. We should be hungry as hell after last year. Vick has a ton to prove. Reid's job is on the line. If we can't get at least 10 wins this year, then I'd be upset. Much more upset than last season.
 
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