locke's idea - big man rotation

[Former Member]

Locke's rotations are better than the rotations we had to deal with last year. Did Corbin even make any substitutions within the first eight minutes of the game last year? It sure didn't seem like it in the games that I was able to catch.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Locke's rotations are better than the rotations we had to deal with last year. Did Corbin even make any substitutions within the first eight minutes of the game last year? It sure didn't seem like it in the games that I was able to catch.

Nor did Sloan. Near the end of Stockton's career, Jerry tried to save him a bit by taking him out at the 8 min mark and then resting him through the quarter break and 4-5 mins into the next period. Early substitutions were never a part of Sloan's game plan and they aren't for his protege Ty.

 

[billyshelby]

Locke's rotations are better than the rotations we had to deal with last year. Did Corbin even make any substitutions within the first eight minutes of the game last year? It sure didn't seem like it in the games that I was able to catch.

How many teams did you see make scheduled rotations before the first 8 minutes of any game? Locke is calling for a 5 minute sub of a starter. Even Ginobili didn't come in until the 8 minute mark. Locke is in video game land, and ignoring practical realities as Freak said.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Freak said it best, but Locke is playing mad scientist in a fantasy world. I'll be very surprised (not shocked) if Al and Sap don't start game 1.

Which is why dude needs to go.

 

[NUMBERICA]

By the way, I agree with every one of Nerd's points.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Seriously, if Big Al's at his best thumping on scrubs, then let him thump on scrubs.

 

[Ben10]

I'll be very surprised (not shocked) if Al and Sap don't start game 1.

That combo didn't start game 1 last year. So I wouldn't been surprised all that much if Corbin tried the Favors/Jefferson combo again to start. If Favors proves he deserves it in training camp.

 

[Hitman]

That combo didn't start game 1 last year.

That's because Millsap was coming off an injury (right quadriceps tendinitis). As soon as he was fully fit he was back in the starting line-up.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Seriously, if Big Al's at his best thumping on scrubs, then let him thump on scrubs.

But so is Sap. And he'd likely be a lot more durable playing against subs for 1/2 his minutes. Millsap starts off hot, then fades a month or so before the all-star break.

 

[NUMBERICA]

But so is Sap. And he'd likely be a lot more durable playing against subs for 1/2 his minutes. Millsap starts off hot, then fades a month or so before the all-star break.

I've always said that that is probably his ideal role. I have also said that it needs to be clear that whoever he's playing behind has earned it. I'm not sure that Favors has, but I'm sure that Favors should be starting somehow. I wonder what the answer to that riddle is...

 

[gomretat]

I think Locke is spot on with what he is saying and for all the right reasons. Kanter is not ready for one of the top 3 spots in the bigs rotation. It is why I have said for months that we don't move a big unless we get one back that can fill one of the top 3 spots. Up Kanters minutes is the right move but that is it. And Nerd, I can't believe you got caught up in the starter versus 2nd unit thing. The fact is Al is going to get the minutes. All Locke is saying is how we maximize those minutes - it has nothing to do with hiding him or trade value. The alternative is giving those minutes to guys who are not ready. Sounds like a great plan to me. It is simply a decision on what kind of rotation creates the most advantage - a decision every coach is making everyday.

 

[theNBAnerd]

As a secondary point, I don't really care that much about forcing a 20 year old kid on the floor. At this point, Locke's right that Favors is a 15 - 20 player. But if he proves better than that, I'm sure Ty will get real creative trying to figure out ways to get him more minutes, which likely means more Sap at the 3 on a regular basis. And I'd be shocked if at least one of our wings doesn't disappoint, whoever that may be, and thus it might be a real easy transition despite a few hurt feelings for whoever gets iced.

do you mean kanter? cuz favors is already past the 15-20 range.

 

[theNBAnerd]

But so is Sap. And he'd likely be a lot more durable playing against subs for 1/2 his minutes. Millsap starts off hot, then fades a month or so before the all-star break.

myth.

got any stats to back up that very popular urban legend? because i'm looking at his splits right now, and on a per-minute basis his stats are remarkably consistent.

pauls' pp36 splits:
december 17.5
january 19.7
february 16.5
march 18.6
april 17.7
pre all-star 18.5
post all-star 17.9

paul's pps splits
december 1.13
january 1.30
february 1.16
march 1.24
april 1.24
pre all-star 1.24
post all-star 1.23

 

[Qman]

myth.

got any stats to back up that very popular urban legend? because i'm looking at his splits right now, and on a per-minute basis his stats are remarkably consistent.

pauls' pp36 splits:
december 17.5
january 19.7
february 16.5
march 18.6
april 17.7
pre all-star 18.5
post all-star 17.9

paul's pps splits
december 1.13
january 1.30
february 1.16
march 1.24
april 1.24
pre all-star 1.24
post all-star 1.23

Where do you look up those stats?

I want compare Paul other players.

 

[Deleted member 848]

myth.

got any stats to back up that very popular urban legend? because i'm looking at his splits right now, and on a per-minute basis his stats are remarkably consistent.

pauls' pp36 splits:
december 17.5
january 19.7
february 16.5
march 18.6
april 17.7
pre all-star 18.5
post all-star 17.9

paul's pps splits
december 1.13
january 1.30
february 1.16
march 1.24
april 1.24
pre all-star 1.24
post all-star 1.23

Woah so tell me, how many games did Paul play in December again? A 4 game sample should just be tossed out of the window, really. You might as well throw that in together with January. Now compare that to February. I'd say that's quite the jump down in production. I'm also curious as to why you didn't post FG% figures


Now I know why. Millsap went from 54% to 45% from January to February. Show some intellectual honesty, this repetitive confirmation-bias charade is hilarious.




EDIT: It is also intriguing as to why you post per36 numbers, for a player who played >30 in almost every month of the season (again, aside from an injury-riddled first 4 games)

To those of you who don't know, Paul Millsap averaged 13.8 PPG in February. He averaged 18.1 PPG the month before

 

[billyshelby]

do you mean kanter? cuz favors is already past the 15-20 range.

Yeah, typo. Meant Kanter.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

If I'm Corbin, I make sure Jefferson knows his defense sucks. I bet Al's the sensitive type so I do it behind closed doors most of the time but I do it and do it as often as needed, and don't just verbalize it but teach, teach, teach using video footage and such. I also do pull him from games here or there (especially early on with unacceptable laziness or insanely slow rotating/helping) and make it known on the spot as to why he was pulled. I think he genuinely cares (more than Boozer did anyway) and it may light a fire under his ***.

I don't however openly talk about his substitution patterns and how it can hide his deficiencies. Rather, I talk about how it can take advantage of our strengths.

Not that this was what the OP's post was totally about but...

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Not our choice, ultimately. Paul's going to get paid and get minutes somewhere else.

Also, just because Locke is trying to make Millsap happy and maximize Al's production in a log-jam situation, doesn't mean Al shouldn't start.

 

[Scorpjazz]

Main problem I have with this is that Al did, indeed, average great numbers playing against the Number 1's last year and throughout his career. So that premise is already shot out of the water, IMO..I dont have a big problem with lowering his minutes some, if we keep him, so as to get Sap and Kanter more minutes, but to say it is because Al cant play against the #1's is silly. It was specifically pointed out that it was his offense that suffered, but that is exactly why the point is flawed, IMO..He can score against any D, it is his lack of Team D against #1's that hurts more, but that wasnt used as the reason.
So, in effect, yes, start AL, lower his minutes some (slightly) to get Sap and Kanter more time, but not for the reason stated.

 

[theNBAnerd]

Woah so tell me, how many games did Paul play in December again? A 4 game sample should just be tossed out of the window, really. You might as well throw that in together with January. Now compare that to February. I'd say that's quite the jump down in production. I'm also curious as to why you didn't post FG% figures


Now I know why. Millsap went from 54% to 45% from January to February. Show some intellectual honesty, this repetitive confirmation-bias charade is hilarious.

EDIT: It is also intriguing as to why you post per36 numbers, for a player who played >30 in almost every month of the season (again, aside from an injury-riddled first 4 games)

To those of you who don't know, Paul Millsap averaged 13.8 PPG in February. He averaged 18.1 PPG the month before

ok so throw out december. i only left it in there because i was sure i'd get called out for excluding it if i didn't.

the reason i used pp36 instead of ppg is because he played 30 minutes in february, his lowest of the season. you can't really call it a slump if the only real variable is that he's playing 9% fewer minutes but still producing roughly the same on a per-minute basis. and either way, the myth of a major late-season slump by paul is disproven by these numbers. he had a slightly lower february because he suddenly was getting fewer minutes and fewer shots than during the whole rest of the season.

(and this is anecdotal, but i'll still add it)... i also know from my paul/al study that february was the month that paul was basically frozen out of the offense for entire fourth quarters. he seriously had several 4th quarters with 0 or 1 shot attempt.

by the way, al's FG% was never as high as 54% to begin with, so which is worse? al's had ONE month where his PPS was better than paul's worst month of the year. so if a paul "slump" is better than 75% of al's season, then i'll take paul's slump.