Since 99% of all religions predating the spread of Christianity and Islam were pagan... Obviously.
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Since 99% of all religions predating the spread of Christianity and Islam were pagan... Obviously.
I am certainly no fountain of knowledge, doctrinally speaking, but my understanding has always been that one's salvation depends wholly upon their own merit, and that their final station would reflect that and that alone. Family is, of course, the core unit of the whole plan, but everyone will receive opportunities to found and maintain their own family, whether in this life or the next. I think a lot of the misunderstanding in this area comes from the early days of the church, when Patriarchal order was interpreted differently, and societal attitudes towards women were significantly less progressive. The doctrine hasn't changed, but how the membership sees it has. I arrive at this conclusion based on what I have heard from the church authorities in the last 3 decades or so. So, it's just my perspective.
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Archie Moses
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That's true. But for me, the more I study quantum physics, perception, theology, science and dimensions, the more it becomes a reality to me.
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addictionary
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I will. Then we'll talk.
That's the main reason I don't believe. I look at something like Quantum Physics, or any other modern science, and the possibilities they offer, and then I look at a story about some ancient man-god who wants to make sure all babies are circumcised and what have you...
The depth of theology comes from the genius of men. I love Saint Augustine, even though I don't think any of what he says is true. And what I love most about him is the fact his Bible-based philosophy is far deeper than anything in the Bible itself (and deeper than Middle Age theologians like Aquinas).
I'm fascinated with religious men of intelligence. Take Colton. He's, by all accounts, a fantastic physicist and a very reasonable and intelligent man. But every time I read of his Mormon aplogetics, I'm simply left in awe. How can someone invest so much energy to create such a sophisticated version of his pretty simplistic faith? And why? Why not accept the inferiority of religious faith and move on to better, deeper things?
The world is such an interesting place.
Archie Moses
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I see it both ways, but for me the more I study quantum physics, perception, theology, science and dimensions the more it proves the possibilities to me. With that said, my faith keeps me going just as strong as well.
Have you ever read about how the new world indians couldn't see the Spanish tall ships? Very interesting. From what I remember (in the last quantum book I read) our brain processes about 200 firings per second, but we still can't process things that are new until they're introduced. It's freaking crazy to me. Also, observation, the double split, and string theory also support a bunch of weird *** **** that could very well make "bizare" religions true. That's the way I see it, at least. (I totally understand if other people don't and I'll let anyone believe what they want, even Nihalism...errr.. that stuff is depressing. haha) Take this with a grain of salt though, I'm totally convinced there are known aliens and alien technology, too.
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Very well put.
I think you misunderstand the theory of perception you're citing. Before I proceed, let me make sure we're talking about the same thing. Are you talking about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGQmdoK_ZfY
Archie Moses
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NAOS
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So, here you acknowledge that some judgment can have really bad consequences? Is it a magical switch, then, that gets flipped: suddenly practices of "good" judgments turn tortuous?
Nobody in their right mind would argue that all judgment is equally "bad." But, nobody thinking very deeply would sign this post as an adequate explanation of how judgment works within a population. No offense PKM.
MVP
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I just don't understand your logic. Of course judgment can have bad consequences. You acknowledge the obvious fact that not all judgments are made equal. But in your original post, you simply object to PKM judging their rituals weird. I don't see why that's wrong. To say they're interesting when you think it is weird is not practicing good judgment. I for one, don't think they're interesting at all. I wouldn't spend 5 minutes trying to understand why burning certain herbs in the morning is better for your spirit balance than burning it in the afternoon. To me, it's just strange. I don't care that they're doing it. I don't care why they're doing it. I don't care if the entire country turned Pagan and started burning incense all over the city. But I do think that behavior is somewhat weird. Clearly this is a lot closer to the acceptable norm than to Nazi concentration camps?
NAOS
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who gets to decide beforehand whether a judgement is "good" or "bad"? Maybe thinking about them in these terms is the problem? What forces are at play when somebody chooses?
That's not all I objected to from PKM.
The second half of your thread just unravels into nihilism... and not the cute kind either. Your only way of determining "good" from "bad" judgment is ex post facto. That's pretty limited.
Assuming you're just trolling me. (assuming since I said I was only speaking about a few individuals and was definitely subscribing that to any group.
In my belief system, God does. Which is why I would worry for someone as I described.
If God exists, as I believe, and He instructed against such atcivity, then my reason for worry (for them) is founded.
If God does not exist, then my entire reason for worry is baseless.
So, I'm unsure how one can be proven either correct or incorrect.
And how do YOU? Is this some slippery slope argument? Or is it like when conservatives insist on abstinence only sex-ed because sex can lead to STDs or pregnancies? I have explained myself plainly. You have not. Throwing words like nihilism to dismiss an opinion you don't like does nothing to your argument. You either make a claim that can be positively debated, or you leave it be.
NAOS
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There is a positive argument underneath what I'm saying (and, there are plenty of reasons to obfuscate and leave).
Roughly, my argument is that thinking about the function and consequences of judgment according to ex post facto dualisms of "good" and "bad" is both (a) boring and (b) inadequate. This is pretty clear in how you depotentialize any possible positive knowledge that is made within pagan communities.