Jefferson thinks Sloan can unleash the ‘Beast' that's been in him for "so long"

[carolinajazz]

You should use the ignore feature for "CarolinaJazz" and "Ain'tNuthin," err "Hopper" and you'll probably be a lot happier.

...yeah, but then he'd be missing out on some of the most insightful, perceptive and entertaining thoughts on NBA basketball as it's presently displayed today!

 

[moevillini]

You should use the ignore feature for "CarolinaJazz" and "Ain'tNuthin," err "Hopper" and you'll probably be a lot happier.

...yeah, but then he'd be missing out on some of the most insightful, perceptive and entertaining thoughts on NBA basketball as it's presently displayed today!

as well as some great entertainment and comedy at times

 

[carolinajazz]

Look yo, hopper and even CJ speak from a platform of high intelligence......For example, CJ hates "hoppers", not because they're black or 'hood' or whatever, but because of their general disrespect, their attitude, their ego.. skin color has NOTHING to do with it. White people, black people, asian people.. just because you read the words and associate it with a certain race.. well that is just on you as a person. The term "hopper" in these circumstances is meant to connotate a Lebron James type of attitude.. a sense of entitlement, a reckless form of basketball which does not result in wins, or ever good basketball. It comes down to positivity, zen, etc. If people are on board, not about showboating.. that's all they want, you know?

...frankly, I personally wouldn't classify Lebron as a true blue "hopper!" He wants to and does involve his teammates to a large degree, as his assist totals indicate, but with the cast of guys he had in Cleveland, there were times when he tried to do it all himself and succeeded most of the time, although it eventually catches up with you when the competition gets serious! I like Lebron! Yeah, he's got tats and hopper tendencies, but by and large....he's a pretty decent guy that hasn't done anything really indecent that I can think of! I think he's faster, bigger and stronger than Michael Jordan and will break all of his statistical records before it's over! Now, Allen Iverson? THAT is stone cold HOPPER!

 

[carolinajazz]

I am half black half white. Spent 8 yrs in Utah at hill airforce base as a kid thru highschool.

.....I'm white, married to a black woman, born in the North, moved to the South, love people of all races, but don't cotton to hopper types, if you know what I mean!

 

[carolinajazz]

The so-called "hip-hop" culture probably did start, or at least become more widespread at first, in the black community. Even so, it really has nuthin to do with "race" per se, and many whites have adopted that "culture" as their own--as CJ might put it, wearin caps crooked, pants down to their knees, and generally actin as disrepectful of "normal" society as possible. Blacks like Cosby condemn it too.

....you got that right! You walk into my business looking for a job with your hat on crooked, pants to the ground and a tattoo on the side of your neck....you ain't get hired, bubba! By the way, "Long haired hippie people....need not apply" either!!!

 

[Craig K. Manscill]

I agree with Box, Al Jefferson is ghetto because he's really dark and, therefore, we suspect he's dumber than he sounds. So I think he should stop sounding smart and sound dumb like he actually is. I think Box said it better than I could ever say it: "he shoudl stop tryin to sound inteliggent". I got you on this one Box. Thanks for reading.

-Craig

 

[One Brow]

He really needs to stop trying to speak proper. It makes him sweat a damn mess all over the place. This dude is Ghetto, but I could care less as he has passion and desire and he will be a beast this year.

You guys really need to cut out the talk about "ghetto-boy" and "Mississippi". Just because someone grew up in a southern state or a poor neighborhood, does not make them stupid.

Who suggested any such thing? Other than you, I mean?

Hopper, I think Hipporipp's comment was a reaction to Box's comment about "stop trying to speak proper". Learning to speak properly is a skill that requires some intelligence, although lack of that skill is not a sign of a lack of intelligence. I do think Box should not worry so much about Jefferson's attempts to speak one way or the other.

I firmly believe anyone who saw my post as racisit is from Utah. If not from Utah some othercrappy place with no diversity. Quit being so damn sensitive.

I grew up in a mixed-race, mixed income government housing project (Laclede Town, for those nterested), and I found your comments mildly racist.

KhaOZ, take all the time you want and I will bet you that you can't find CJ criticizing anyone because they are "not white." He don't like tattoos, true dat, but he don't like them on nobuddy. He don't like "hoppers," but that aint synonomous with black people. It seems to me that the ones who call CJ "racist" put much more emphasis on, and make more stereotypical assumptions about, race and racial differences than CJ ever has.

CarolinaJazz doesn't criticize people directly because they are of a specific skin color, but he does focus on irrelevant cultural aspects (such as tattoos) to make judgements and he does tend to associate those aspects with specific skin colors. So, I think the charge of racism is acurate, even though the reasons is it typically used seem to be inaccurate. Even broken clocks are right twice a day.

 

[moevillini]

well I don't know about anybody else, but I understood AJ perfectly well. If you'd like to interpret that to mean that I have poor language skills, so be it. At any rate, I think it's great that Al Jefferson is looking forward to coming to Utah, playing for Coach Sloan and being teammates with D-Will. Whatever else we may disagree on in his statement, I think we'd agree that he sounds enthusiastic about the upcoming season, and that's wonderful to hear!

 

[carolinajazz]

I grew up in a mixed-race, mixed income government housing project (Laclede Town, for those nterested), and I found your comments mildly racist.



CarolinaJazz doesn't criticize people directly because they are of a specific skin color, but he does focus on irrelevant cultural aspects (such as tattoos) to make judgements

...."irrelevant?" I beg to differ! If your going to stand out as an eye sore with all those tattoo's on your body....I believe that's "relevant" to the well being of others!

 

[richgates]

Wow, there are some really judgmental people on this site. I was hoping for a better signal to noise ratio, but sadly this forum is as bad as all the rest. I'm done with it, to those of you decent folks, thanks for the conversation and go Jazz! I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

 

[Fishsticks]

Wow, there are some really judgmental people on this site. I was hoping for a better signal to noise ratio, but sadly this forum is as bad as all the rest. I'm done with it, to those of you decent folks, thanks for the conversation and go Jazz! I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

Yes please come back and let us know when you find the mystical forum where everyone thinks like you. Sure that would be a great place....

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Traditionally, the term "ghetto" has never been used to refer to blacks in particular

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Main Entry: 1ghet·to
Pronunciation: \ˈge-(ˌ)tō\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ghettos also ghettoes
Etymology: Italian, from Venetian dial. ghèto island where Jews were forced to live, literally, foundry (located on the island), from ghetàr to cast, from Latin jactare to throw — more at jet
Date: 1611
1 : a quarter of a city in which Jews were formerly required to live
2 : a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure
3 a : an isolated group <a geriatric ghetto> b : a situation that resembles a ghetto especially in conferring inferior status or limiting opportunity <the pink-collar ghetto>
===

It was coined 400 years ago, and originally was confined to jewish concentrations. Since then it has been expanded to include any minority, such as an "Irish ghetto," or a "polish ghetto."

Wait, so I know Stoudemire's Jewish but Jefferson is too?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Let's not forget one important fact in this debate: Al Jefferson is not well spoken. He does not use what could be described as "proper English." So do we have to dance around that fact or is it okay to state it plainly?

As I said eralier, "ghetto" has become a slang term that could be compared to "jury-rigged." My sister, for instance, seems to like using this term, a lot. If someone drives by in a car with squeaky brakes she'll say "Damn, that's ghetto," not at all implying anything racial about the person driving or the car. My sister is about as far from being a racist as possible. She just likes to use that term, even though I think she uses it too much.

I hate to mention this, partly because I don't think it really proves anything, but my sister and I were raised to be very firmly anti-racism. I ended some friendships when I was a teenager because people were racist or anti-gay. Both my sister and I are married to people who are not "white."

Well said.

Everyone needs to take a step back. Jefferson isn't well-spoken and sounds ghetto. If that offends you, too bad. It has nothing to do with race. It has to do with how he projects himself.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Magic Johnson, for one, had absolutely atrocious grammatical patterns and an extremely limited vocabulary for the first few years he was in the NBA. He was a jock in high school, who only cared about playin ball, and it was no different for him in college really (all two years worth). Now he's an articulate commentator on national TV.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Magic Johnson is articulate. It's as if he is focusing so hard and has to use all his brainpower just to concentrate to enunciate words correctly. But it's obvious he cares about how he speaks and projects himself.

 

[Hopper]

CarolinaJazz ... does focus on irrelevant cultural aspects (such as tattoos) to make judgements and he does tend to associate those aspects with specific skin colors. So, I think the charge of racism is acurate, even though the reasons is it typically used seem to be inaccurate. Even broken clocks are right twice a day.

Well, Eric, to me the "charge of racism" is intended to be a serious, condemnation-worthy accusation (I often see it merely as a rhetorical cheap shot which is not to be taken seriously at all, but that's probably just me). In light of that, especially, I'm a little surprised that you assert: "he does tend to associate those aspects with specific skin colors." You are claiming, as a virtual fact, that CJ makes certain associations on the basis of "skin color," but how could you really know that?

Not sayin it's the case with you, but it seems to me that many people automatically and unthinkingly project their OWN "associations with skin color" onto others. Kinda like it they understand a word with several possible meanings to say one thing, then EVERYBODY else can only have their selected meaning in mind too.

 

[Hopper]

I mean, like, what would you make of an exchange like this (which I have actually heard, believe it or not):

A: I don't like criminals.

B: So you're sayin you don't like black people, eh? RACIST!

 

[UB]

O god please the offseason is bad so baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddd

 

[Hopper]

Like people round this here joint aint callin others "racists" 24/7 every day of the year, UB?

 

[One Brow]

You are claiming, as a virtual fact, that CJ makes certain associations on the basis of "skin color," but how could you really know that?

The same way you "know" my name is Eric: by the posts. To be more direct, they are associations he occasionally makes from time to time in his posts. They are not frequent, but they do occur.

Not sayin it's the case with you, but it seems to me that many people automatically and unthinkingly project their OWN "associations with skin color" onto others. Kinda like it they understand a word with several possible meanings to say one thing, then EVERYBODY else can only have their selected meaning in mind too.

I agree completely.

On the other hand, I don't see racism as "condemnation-worthy accusation", even if it gets played that way in the media. It's a matter of background, exposure, and sometimes of careless thinking. Only a very small percentage of the population of the USA gets exposed to a wide variety of skin colors in every context of their lives, so in some ways racism will be inevitable.

I mean, like, what would you make of an exchange like this (which I have actually heard, believe it or not):

A: I don't like criminals.

B: So you're sayin you don't like black people, eh? RACIST!

B certainly sounds racist to me.

 

[Hopper]

B certainly sounds racist to me.

Yeah, me too. Of course, the way I framed it, it would be hard for anyone to see it any other way, I spect. But not all such "exchanges" are that clear-cut. The same type of "projection" can still be at work, though.

Speaking for myself, more often than not, I suspect those who choose to characterize someone else as a "racist" actually have ulterior motives (which they themselves may not even be fully aware of) for doing so.