NFL Thread 12-13

[The Thriller]

Aren't the Giants playing without a few Olinemen?

One thing that stood out to me last night, yeah both Giants and Eagles have great Dlines... But both have pretty injury plagued/bad Olines. The only reason McCoy looked decent last night was because of his incredible speed which allowed him to get outside and turn the corner. 90 percent of the RBs in the league probably would have been eaten alive by the Giants last night. Neither Oline did their RBs or QBs any favors. Especially Vick, who literally takes hits nearly every time he drops back to throw.

 

[candrew]

David Diehl is out - he is The Giants best offensive lineman.

Giants have a great O-Line when it comes to pass protection. And they also have Bradshaw who as I said before is a great pass blocking back.

However the O-line is not that good at creating holes for runningbacks. Bradshaw, Brown, Jacobs and every other back they've had for the past 10 years not named Tiki Barber are not good enough backs to create opportunities for themselves. They don't have a guy like McCoy who can repeatedly make something out of nothing.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I wonder how much longer Rex is going to be employed in New York? That said, his ownership hasn't helped him out. Instead of using draft picks to improve their Oline, give Sanchez weapons, etc they turned draft picks into Tim Tebow.

Bro, I went to college with the Head of Scouting for the Jets and my buddy, who played college football with him, swears he'll be a GM in the league. That that's the next step for people in his position. I got into a semi-argument, basically saying/asking why. Why the hell would he get a GM job? Name me two or three good draft picks the Jets have had in the last five years. And I'm not arguing with you btw, I'm agreeing with you. I'm just echoing the sentiment that their FO is ****ing awful. If I'm Johnson, I fire that hack Tannenbaum in the off-season and get someone who recognizes the importance of draft picks. You build through the draft. Period. Yes, a free agent here or there can make a difference. But you typically don't build a championship team around hand me downs. You build it through the draft and their drafts have been terrible.

 

[YB85]

Bro, I went to college with the Head of Scouting for the Jets and my buddy, who played college football with him, swears he'll be a GM in the league. That that's the next step for people in his position. I got into a semi-argument, basically saying/asking why. Why the hell would he get a GM job? Name me two or three good draft picks the Jets have had in the last five years. And I'm not arguing with you btw, I'm agreeing with you. I'm just echoing the sentiment that their FO is ****ing awful. If I'm Johnson, I fire that hack Tannenbaum in the off-season and get someone who recognizes the importance of draft picks. You build through the draft. Period. Yes, a free agent here or there can make a difference. But you typically don't build a championship team around hand me downs. You build it through the draft and their drafts have been terrible.

Any team that would trade for the Rams' bust has shown how godawful they are. Wayne Hunter is absolutely awful but he's a ****load better than Jason Bust Smith.

 

[fatchipper]

Thoughts on this fantasy trade...

Arian Foster
Steven Jackson
Torrey Smith
Reggie Wayne

for

Trent Richardson
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
Andre Brown

Fair deal?

 

[UGLI baby]

Thoughts on this fantasy trade...

Arian Foster
Steven Jackson
Torrey Smith
Reggie Wayne

for

Trent Richardson
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
Andre Brown

Fair deal?

Fair for sure. At first I was gonna say the team getting Arian was the winner, now I'm not sure. Good trade.

 

[UGLI baby]

I'd rank em...

1) Foster
2) Julio
3) Richardson
4) Brown
5) Smith
6) Steven Jackson
7) Wayne
8) Brown

 

[Stifle Tower]

For the record, as an "Alex Smith lover", I like that they march CK out there a few times a game.

I love the 9'ers, but if they ever win the SB, it will be "in spite of" Alex, not because of him. He didn't get the ball downfield at all against Minn. His idea of a long pass is to throw it 6 yards on 3rd and 8 and HOPE his receiver can get 2 YAC's. Actually, I take that back. He's had one very good series...when he hit Crabtree for 3 decent passes. The one pass he can't hit is the 7-8 yd. out. I'm seen him miss that throw time and time again. Most of the time he hits one of the coaches on the sideline. Other times he throws it behind the receiver.

Next year, Kaepernick needs to be the full-time QB.

 

[UGLI baby]

Add another person to the tard list^^

 

[Beantown]

Pats looked damn good. Finally.

 

[Hotdog]

Add another person to the tard list^^

Im assuming im on that tard list

Cmon man!

 

[Bronco70]

I'm not really down with an argument over this, but I do want to address a couple of points. I apologize in advance for the One Brow-esque format.

I love the 9'ers, but if they ever win the SB, it will be "in spite of" Alex, not because of him. He didn't get the ball downfield at all against Minn.

So Ponder looking like a god against SF's defense on that day was because Alex can't throw the long ball. Got it.

His idea of a long pass is to throw it 6 yards on 3rd and 8 and HOPE his receiver can get 2 YAC's.

Just a quick football primer: the QB isn't the one running the routes. It's the receiver's responsibility to get himself into position.

Next year, Kaepernick needs to be the full-time QB.

Let's see... your key to QB success is the long ball, and CK has thrown exactly one long pass this season. Into triple coverage. I see your point.

Gawds, if only Harbaugh were as smart as you.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'm not really down with an argument over this, but I do want to address a couple of points. I apologize in advance for the One Brow-esque format.



So Ponder looking like a god against SF's defense on that day was because Alex can't throw the long ball. Got it.



Just a quick football primer: the QB isn't the one running the routes. It's the receiver's responsibility to get himself into position.



Let's see... your key to QB success is the long ball, and CK has thrown exactly one long pass this season. Into triple coverage. I see your point.

Gawds, if only Harbaugh were as smart as you.

Thats what I'm talking about. Thats a +rep if I've ever seen one.

 

[Hotdog]

Alex smith was a great college quarterback. Im a utes fan, and I love what he did for the utes. But he just isnt a great nfl quarterback. He is a game manager quarterback. Saying otherwise just means you are a homer or dont know better.

Please list all the quarterbacks in the nfl that Alex is better. Or list the order of top quarterbacks in the league. If alex falls anywhere in the top 15, then you are high my friend. Im just saying, in terms of how he rates to other nfl qb's, he sucks compared to most. He is a whole lot better than many other qb's in the world, just not most nfl qb's

Great guy, good quarterback. Just not anywhere near the discussion of a top qb in the nfl.

 

[Bronco70]

Alex smith was a great college quarterback. Im a utes fan, and I love what he did for the utes. But he just isnt a great nfl quarterback. He is a game manager quarterback. Saying otherwise just means you are a homer or dont know better.

Please list all the quarterbacks in the nfl that Alex is better. Or list the order of top quarterbacks in the league. If alex falls anywhere in the top 15, then you are high my friend. Im just saying, in terms of how he rates to other nfl qb's, he sucks compared to most. He is a whole lot better than many other qb's in the world, just not most nfl qb's

Great guy, good quarterback. Just not anywhere near the discussion of a top qb in the nfl.

I think you're projecting a lot here. If you are assuming that I think Smith is an elite quarterback, then you are mistaken. I don't believe I have said anything that could even be construed as such. But I do believe that his abilities and aptitude are widely maligned. His QB rating is amongst the league's best right now. Does that put him in the same discussion as Rodgers, or Brady, or Manning? Obviously not. But asserting that he is one of the worst QBs in the league is baffling. The stats don't back that up.

He is a game manager quarterback. Saying otherwise just means you are a homer or dont know better.

This tactic always humors me; "If you don't agree with me, it's because your dumb."

Well, I'm willing to agree to disagree. If you want to think I'm stupid, that's okay. Whatever works for you.

 

[bigb]

I'd take Smith over my QB every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Alex Smith has a 98.1 QB rating, ahead of Peyton Manning, Joe Flacco, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, Cam Newton, Matt Stafford, Tony Romo, Andrew Luck, and Jay Cutler, amongst others. Good call though.

 

[Hotdog]

Can anyone tell me why coaches make the decisions they do?


The Giants have been the worst team rushing the football the last two years with Bradshaw. So Andre Brown comes along and starts running up and down the field on people. Making the Giants running game 100 times better than it has in a long time. So what does the coach do when Bradshaw gets healthy again? The coach goes back to the guy who has lead your team to last in rushing last year, and benches Brown.

First running play for Bradshaw today, its a fumble. Second possession? Goes back to Bradshaw, only to punt a 4 plays later.

Question is. Why the hell would you go away from the hot hand? And why would you show loyalty to a guy that has made your running game stink for the last two years.

Baffles the mind.

 

[Brown Notes]

Can anyone tell me why coaches make the decisions they do?


The Giants have been the worst team rushing the football the last two years with Bradshaw. So Andre Brown comes along and starts running up and down the field on people. Making the Giants running game 100 times better than it has in a long time. So what does the coach do when Bradshaw gets healthy again? The coach goes back to the guy who has lead your team to last in rushing last year, and benches Brown.

First running play for Bradshaw today, its a fumble. Second possession? Goes back to Bradshaw, only to punt a 4 plays later.

Question is. Why the hell would you go away from the hot hand? And why would you show loyalty to a guy that has made your running game stink for the last two years.

Baffles the mind.

IMO it's more an OL problem. That fumble was terrible but Brown also makes dumb mistakes. His KO return was utterly retarded. Anyways I think the G's need to get busy drafting OL.

 

[Hotdog]

IMO it's more an OL problem. That fumble was terrible but Brown also makes dumb mistakes. His KO return was utterly retarded. Anyways I think the G's need to get busy drafting OL.

That doesnt make any sense. The giants CAN run the ball with Brown. So that eliminates it being the O line as the problem.

Brown shouldnt be running back kicks anyways. He isnt that type of back. Thats not his fault. Its another coaching mistake.

Brown has gone over 100+ yards in his last two games he has seen carries. Plus scoring touchdowns. Plus doing it averaging 5+ yards per carry.

So what does coughlin do? Bench him, and not even give him a chance.

Not to mention, now the Giants are losing games, ibstead of playing their best


Its ****ing stupid.