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Overhyping Favors

For a more versatile big, just sub in Marvin Williams. The reasons stated for keeping Milsap (more versatile, outside shooting, offensive threat) apply better even to Marvin. And, Marvin is bigger/longer than Milsap.
As much as I like Milsap, we don't NEED him. And, now he is a bit redundant. Give Favors and Kanter their minutes. Milsap and Jeff be damned.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
No doubt but is that too much in Favors' opinion or his whole disinterest in playing the 5 completely overblown?

I wonder.

I'm very, VERY curious about Lindsey too. How much does he value Millsap? Jefferson? People continue to reference KOC about future moves but Lindsey's the GM and even though KOC remains on board and was promoted, I'd assume he's letting Lindsey make all personnel decisions and I'm very curious what he does over the next nine to ten months.
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I'm not saying Lindsey is a puppet, but there is no way KOC is going to be hands off in personnel decisions. They almost definitely braintrust the strategy, while Lindsey works the logistics.
 
I have no problem if Favors starts or doesn't start. If he starts, his defense next to Al/Sap will be great in the first unit. But personally, I lean to him not starting, and it's precisely because of development. We know he can rebound and defend with the best, but he needs to make strides offensively. He's definitely going to have better success with that on the second unit.

The only real issue with Favors to my mind is Ty playing matchups to close halves and games. There will be nights when he's needed at the expense of Al or Sap and he should be used accordingly. Other nights, it will be better not to play him as a finisher. It's a juggling act and I don't think Ty will be locked in to Al and Sap just because they're the starters.
 
Either Favors or Hayward needs to be a killer. Not just a superstar, not just an elite scorer, not just a defensive wall. A killer in all basketball senses of the word. A guy that makes you think twice a little when you're on offense, and tremble a little when you're trying to guard him.

Hayward, as good as he can be at times, just isn't that guy. Favors might be, but he's not going to develop those instincts on his own; He has to be pushed. We've all seen him talk about it, play about it at times. Play a little John Stockton and give him this assist.
 
Hipporippo said:
For a more versatile big, just sub in Marvin Williams. The reasons stated for keeping Milsap (more versatile, outside shooting, offensive threat) apply better even to Marvin. And, Marvin is bigger/longer than Milsap.
As much as I like Milsap, we don't NEED him. And, now he is a bit redundant. Give Favors and Kanter their minutes. Milsap and Jeff be damned.
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Agreed. Favors ceiling is way higher and not starting him slows down his development.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Either Favors or Hayward needs to be a killer. Not just a superstar, not just an elite scorer, not just a defensive wall. A killer in all basketball senses of the word. A guy that makes you think twice a little when you're on offense, and tremble a little when you're trying to guard him.

Hayward, as good as he can be at times, just isn't that guy. Favors might be, but he's not going to develop those instincts on his own; He has to be pushed. We've all seen him talk about it, play about it at times. Play a little John Stockton and give him this assist.
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I think that right now, it's looking like the 2011 guys might have a better chance than the 2010 guys.

That said, it's really early, and we really don't know enough now to predict ****.
 
Mission Accomplished said:
Why don't we just let Favors develop? I'm sick of all these over expectations that fans have for him. Can he be great? Sure. But, he isn't there today. So, lets pull back the reigns and quit calling for him to start till he proves he should start. In the mean time this is a great time for him to develop to some day replace Paul or Big Al.
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he as proven time and time again that he deserves to start over big crap jefferson
 
Hipporippo said:
For a more versatile big, just sub in Marvin Williams. The reasons stated for keeping Milsap (more versatile, outside shooting, offensive threat) apply better even to Marvin.
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Millsap is a MUCH better basketball player (both in general and as a versatile offensive 4) than Marvin Williams.
 
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ElRoach0 said:
Either Favors or Hayward needs to be a killer. Not just a superstar, not just an elite scorer, not just a defensive wall. A killer in all basketball senses of the word. A guy that makes you think twice a little when you're on offense, and tremble a little when you're trying to guard him.

Hayward, as good as he can be at times, just isn't that guy. Favors might be, but he's not going to develop those instincts on his own; He has to be pushed. We've all seen him talk about it, play about it at times. Play a little John Stockton and give him this assist.
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Hayward will be best suited as a Ray Allen/Reggie Miller/Rip Hamilton type of killer thirdish option. These types aren't ever in the consensus MVP voting but always fill up the box in an efficient way, and make it hell on opposing coaches trying to game plan for them. I'm not saying he will ever be the shooters they were but that he should find ways to be as impacting-versatile.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
lol?!
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? Reggie led the Pacers in scoring, playing on some really good teams (took the Bulls to 7 games in the Eastern Finals in '98) consistently in the top half of the NBA in offensive efficiency (despite playing a slow-paced grind-it-out style of basketball), for 10 consecutive seasons. If Hayward turns out to be as gifted a scorer as Reggie, and is only the "thirdish" option, the Jazz might have the best offense ever.
 
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GVC said:
? Reggie led the Pacers in scoring, playing on some really good teams (took the Bulls to 7 games in the Eastern Finals in '98) consistently near the top of the NBA in offensive efficiency, for 10 consecutive seasons. If Hayward turns out to be as gifted a scorer as Reggie, and is only the "thirdish" option, the Jazz might have the best offense ever.
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This. hayward has a smooth shot, but if he gets close to those players lvls then we really found a dimond out of butler.
 
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